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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7886458" data-attributes="member: 996">I mean, you get the idea that people who aren't at your table are, in fact, also people, right? That's not getting what you want, that's you demanding others be deprived of something they want.&nbsp; &nbsp;We already demonstrated, above, how it does.&nbsp; There are classes I don't care for, both in the 5e PH, and queued up to be added to it.&nbsp; I do not begrudge their inclusion, even if I don't see fit to play them, myself, or if I do see fit to ban them in a specific campaign. But, y'know, there is a danger that, having committed to tolerate something, you might find it's not that bad, afterall...&nbsp;I don't need validation, just options that open up the game enough to include the things I'd like to do in it.&nbsp; I find it much more reasonable to exclude options I don't want, than to create them from whole cloth, even as a DM.&nbsp; As a player, of course, an official option is far more likely to get even a glance from a harried DM, so if I want to play something, there's barely a point bringing it up without some level of officialdom.&nbsp; That said, validation of pre-5e playstyles is not a bad thing for 5e to try to manage, even if some of them seem a bit exclusive of eachother.&nbsp; That's what options are for.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7886458, member: 996"] I mean, you get the idea that people who aren't at your table are, in fact, also people, right? That's not getting what you want, that's you demanding others be deprived of something they want. We already demonstrated, above, how it does. There are classes I don't care for, both in the 5e PH, and queued up to be added to it. I do not begrudge their inclusion, even if I don't see fit to play them, myself, or if I do see fit to ban them in a specific campaign. But, y'know, there is a danger that, having committed to tolerate something, you might find it's not that bad, afterall... I don't need validation, just options that open up the game enough to include the things I'd like to do in it. I find it much more reasonable to exclude options I don't want, than to create them from whole cloth, even as a DM. As a player, of course, an official option is far more likely to get even a glance from a harried DM, so if I want to play something, there's barely a point bringing it up without some level of officialdom. That said, validation of pre-5e playstyles is not a bad thing for 5e to try to manage, even if some of them seem a bit exclusive of eachother. That's what options are for. [/QUOTE]

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