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<blockquote data-quote="Xeviat" data-source="post: 7888253" data-attributes="member: 57494">Hey now, my arguments against the Warlord aren't edition warring. 4E was almost my favorite edition, and I still want to backtrack and make a &quot;4.5 edition&quot; with some 5E ideas.But! I am here to say that I've changed my mind on the Warlord. For a while, I felt that the Bard could be tweaked to be the home of the Warlord, but the more I read this thread and listen to the arguments of Warlord supporters, the more I see the Warlord as a viable class that isn't quite represented well. I do think the Fighter archetype could be expanded to include most Warlords, there are some less combative character tropes that would fit into the Warlord that wouldn't fit into the Fighter or Rogue.Heck, less combative characters don't fit in anywhere currently, not without making a grossly ineffective character.Do, consider me one player/DM who has changed her mind. Bring on the Warlord!Great start.I think the Warlord should be based around the Warlock chassis a little more. I think the base warlock shouldn't have extra attack. I want the Noble/Lazylord to work better. I want it to be possible to make an Int/Cha heavy character with low strength and moderate dexteritu and still be able to function.I just don't want it to step on the Bard's toes too much. But, then again, the Cleric and Druid share a lot of toys.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Xeviat, post: 7888253, member: 57494"] Hey now, my arguments against the Warlord aren't edition warring. 4E was almost my favorite edition, and I still want to backtrack and make a "4.5 edition" with some 5E ideas. But! I am here to say that I've changed my mind on the Warlord. For a while, I felt that the Bard could be tweaked to be the home of the Warlord, but the more I read this thread and listen to the arguments of Warlord supporters, the more I see the Warlord as a viable class that isn't quite represented well. I do think the Fighter archetype could be expanded to include most Warlords, there are some less combative character tropes that would fit into the Warlord that wouldn't fit into the Fighter or Rogue. Heck, less combative characters don't fit in anywhere currently, not without making a grossly ineffective character. Do, consider me one player/DM who has changed her mind. Bring on the Warlord! Great start. I think the Warlord should be based around the Warlock chassis a little more. I think the base warlock shouldn't have extra attack. I want the Noble/Lazylord to work better. I want it to be possible to make an Int/Cha heavy character with low strength and moderate dexteritu and still be able to function. I just don't want it to step on the Bard's toes too much. But, then again, the Cleric and Druid share a lot of toys. [/QUOTE]

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