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The Warlord shouldn't be a class... change my mind!
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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7889460" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Sorry, just to be clear. Do you mean martial in the plain English sense of "beat stuff with a weapon guy" or martial as in the power source from 4e. Because those aren't the same thing.</p><p></p><p>And, the 4e warlord was not really a "beat stuff with a weapon guy". Bravura subclass maybe were, but, the PHB warlords weren't really. They got virtually no powers that would bump their personal damage. Nearly all of their dpr contribution came from causing allies to attack. </p><p></p><p>So, no, I would disagree that they were "competent" warriors in theme. Lightly armored (chainmail proficiency standard), sure, they got martial weapons, but, again, none of their powers really put them in the "fightery" category. Now, I do understand the argument that since warlords are in the same "family" as rangers and paladins, they should get the second attack, and, frankly, I'm not entirely opposed to the idea, but, I'm not sure if "because paladins and rangers get it" is a particularly convincing argument.</p><p></p><p>Comparing to a cleric, for example, only the war priests get an extra attack, and clerics are also meant to be competent warriors. </p><p></p><p>Again, I'm certainly not going to die on this hill. I'm just pointing out that I'm not sure if this is a "must have" sort of thing. Could a second attack be replaced with something else, for example?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7889460, member: 22779"] Sorry, just to be clear. Do you mean martial in the plain English sense of "beat stuff with a weapon guy" or martial as in the power source from 4e. Because those aren't the same thing. And, the 4e warlord was not really a "beat stuff with a weapon guy". Bravura subclass maybe were, but, the PHB warlords weren't really. They got virtually no powers that would bump their personal damage. Nearly all of their dpr contribution came from causing allies to attack. So, no, I would disagree that they were "competent" warriors in theme. Lightly armored (chainmail proficiency standard), sure, they got martial weapons, but, again, none of their powers really put them in the "fightery" category. Now, I do understand the argument that since warlords are in the same "family" as rangers and paladins, they should get the second attack, and, frankly, I'm not entirely opposed to the idea, but, I'm not sure if "because paladins and rangers get it" is a particularly convincing argument. Comparing to a cleric, for example, only the war priests get an extra attack, and clerics are also meant to be competent warriors. Again, I'm certainly not going to die on this hill. I'm just pointing out that I'm not sure if this is a "must have" sort of thing. Could a second attack be replaced with something else, for example? [/QUOTE]
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