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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 1480914" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>If I understand correctly, the Warrior gets Weapon Focus (one entire weapon group) at 2nd, and then gets 5 feats at level 4th, 6th, 8th and 10th but are these feats usable only with (1) the specific weapon group the feat chain is associated with, (2) any one weapon group of his choice or (3) every weapon he is proficient with?</p><p></p><p>In all these 3 cases, there is the disadvantage that you cannot use the feats with other weapons, and the advantage that you don't need to meet their prerequisite. I think it is overall still slightly less that a core Fighter (even if you could count Weapon Focus as more than a feat if it applies to more weapons) because of the reduced versatility, however it's very close to the core class. </p><p></p><p>But now I'll make 2 very important notes <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>(1) In general, I think it's ok to give bonus feats without requisites, except the BAB, which means that I would give the bonus feat exactly at the level when the required BAB is reached. For example, look at when you grant Greater Two-Weapon Fighting, at level 10th: your Warrior would be able to make 3 off-hands attacks before he would be able to make 3 attacks with his main weapon (even if he just used the main weapon). That doesn't sound neat to me.</p><p></p><p>(2) Again in general, I think it's not a good idea to give very basic feats as bonus feats unless you give them very early (at most at level 3rd) or unless you can take the feat more than once. Power Attack and Point Blank Shot for example, but also the majority of the feats you give as first or second in your chains, granted at level 4th or 6th are bad. Why? Because it gives the player two choices: either to wait until 4th level without a very basic feat, or to take it at 1st level and "waste" the bonus feat later.</p><p>Imagine your melee tank / archer who cannot take Power Attack / Point Blank Shot and all other feats which use them as requisite before he is 4th level...</p><p>Two solutions come to my mind:</p><p> - have the chain start at level 1, this way the tank / archer would get PA / PBS immediately</p><p> - remove the basic (popular ones with no prereqs) feats from the chains, so that the PC may or may not take them earlier (in any case, they aren't needed for the other chain feats)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 1480914, member: 1465"] If I understand correctly, the Warrior gets Weapon Focus (one entire weapon group) at 2nd, and then gets 5 feats at level 4th, 6th, 8th and 10th but are these feats usable only with (1) the specific weapon group the feat chain is associated with, (2) any one weapon group of his choice or (3) every weapon he is proficient with? In all these 3 cases, there is the disadvantage that you cannot use the feats with other weapons, and the advantage that you don't need to meet their prerequisite. I think it is overall still slightly less that a core Fighter (even if you could count Weapon Focus as more than a feat if it applies to more weapons) because of the reduced versatility, however it's very close to the core class. But now I'll make 2 very important notes :) (1) In general, I think it's ok to give bonus feats without requisites, except the BAB, which means that I would give the bonus feat exactly at the level when the required BAB is reached. For example, look at when you grant Greater Two-Weapon Fighting, at level 10th: your Warrior would be able to make 3 off-hands attacks before he would be able to make 3 attacks with his main weapon (even if he just used the main weapon). That doesn't sound neat to me. (2) Again in general, I think it's not a good idea to give very basic feats as bonus feats unless you give them very early (at most at level 3rd) or unless you can take the feat more than once. Power Attack and Point Blank Shot for example, but also the majority of the feats you give as first or second in your chains, granted at level 4th or 6th are bad. Why? Because it gives the player two choices: either to wait until 4th level without a very basic feat, or to take it at 1st level and "waste" the bonus feat later. Imagine your melee tank / archer who cannot take Power Attack / Point Blank Shot and all other feats which use them as requisite before he is 4th level... Two solutions come to my mind: - have the chain start at level 1, this way the tank / archer would get PA / PBS immediately - remove the basic (popular ones with no prereqs) feats from the chains, so that the PC may or may not take them earlier (in any case, they aren't needed for the other chain feats) [/QUOTE]
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