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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5572343" data-attributes="member: 48965">Oh, so it's not the game... it's that my immersion is broken and it's only my fixation on it that's causing me problems... <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/ponder.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":hmm:" title="Hmmm    :hmm:" data-shortname=":hmm:" /> I'm glad someone bestowed on you the title of "He who decides what does and does not hurt immersion... FOR EVERYONE!!!".... sorry must've missed that meeting. Of course I could turn around and say you don't really have immersion, you'll accept anything even if it doesn't make sense and that's why 4e suits you so well... but then that would be assuming (like you did above) and I wouldn't want to do that to a fellow poster whose view point I am trying to understand...  Back to the subject (instead of judgements on people), First, go back and actually read what I have posted if you really want to have a discussion because a couple of your assumptions about how this discussion has progressed are just wrong. If you did this you would see that even in your examples above (which have been presented by other posters before you) you're still leaving out large swaths of opponents that just don't make sense that they know the effects they are under... from those who wouldn't be able to percieve what you are doing to those whose mindset or intelligence wouldn't even let them conceptualize what had been done to them... so maybe, just maybe for me and possibly others it does hurt immersion to realize that certain creatures are aware and know what effects certain powers have on them.</blockquote>

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