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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5572353" data-attributes="member: 18280">And the more the model jars with what is being modelled, the more immersion will be damaged.&nbsp; One might almost define immersion as &quot;willingly confusing (in the sense of making indistinct the lines between) the model for the thing&quot;.However, the amount of effort that is being expended to &quot;prove&quot; that Imaro's fairly obviously correct point is wrong leads me to suspect that there is more to what he's saying than is immediately apparent to me.&nbsp; I mean, I was thinking, &quot;Yes, but is that important?&quot;, and making posts to the same effect.&nbsp; However, if the &quot;other side&quot; cannot also say &quot;Yes, but is that important?&quot; and get onto the significance (or lack thereof) of Imaro's point, it leads me to believe that it is more important -- for some reason -- than it appears to be.So, AFAICT Imaro is not only right, but he is obviously so.&nbsp; As Crazy Jerome has pointed out, though, this is nothing unusual -- you could make a version of the same point accurately about any rpg.&nbsp; So, why is it important to deny the accuracy here?RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 5572353, member: 18280"] And the more the model jars with what is being modelled, the more immersion will be damaged. One might almost define immersion as [B][I]"willingly confusing (in the sense of making indistinct the lines between) the model for the thing"[/I][/B]. However, the amount of effort that is being expended to "prove" that Imaro's fairly obviously correct point is wrong leads me to suspect that there is more to what he's saying than is immediately apparent to me. I mean, I was thinking, "Yes, but is that important?", and making posts to the same effect. However, if the "other side" cannot also say "Yes, but is that important?" and get onto the significance (or lack thereof) of Imaro's point, it leads me to believe that it is more important -- for some reason -- than it appears to be. So, AFAICT Imaro is not only right, but he is obviously so. As Crazy Jerome has pointed out, though, this is nothing unusual -- you could make a version of the same point accurately about any rpg. So, [I][B]why is it important to deny the accuracy here?[/B][/I] RC [/QUOTE]

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