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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannager" data-source="post: 5572402" data-attributes="member: 73683">Well, yes, I would argue that your fixation on the concept of immersion is causing you problems. The game of D&D is not designed nor intended to be a perfectly immersive game. It is designed and intended to provide a certain level of immersion, but beyond that it acknowledges that it's still a game first and foremost.To use an example by way of hyperbole, it's like complaining that your enjoyment of Monopoly is being harmed because you can't get over how they manage to fit three hotels onto a parcel of land three houses used to occupy.That's a shame, someone brought a fantastic Boston cream pie that night.You wouldn't be far off. I make the immersion in my game, because that's what DMs are for. I don't expect the rules to do it for me. So no, I don't really care what my system of choice does for me in terms of immersion, because that's not what it's there for. The system is there to make the game fun and manageable to run.I don't think I assumed what you think I assumed. In fact, I think that you assumed that I assumed something. Oh ho! Imagined assumptions of playstyle are now equivalent to moral judgment. I must have missed that meeting.I did, before I posted anything in response to you. In fact, I've been following (and posting in) this thread since page one.Stop assuming that I haven't read it, you dirty assumer, you!No one had mentioned Instant Friends before I did. And when people made arguments similar to mine, you did not respond to them.By all means, give us examples and we'll either concede that your example is a good one or we'll explain to you how it isn't a good one.Right, and I acknowledged that. I'm suggesting that you might be approaching this from an angle that makes the problem appear much larger than it actually is (due to a flawed understand of the idea that a target is aware of the effects of a power it is subject to, for instance), or that you might consider turning up your Suspension-of-Disbelief-o'-Meter.</blockquote>

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