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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5577642" data-attributes="member: 18280">Playing the character is role-playing.  Character concept, in the way you used it in the post I was responding to, was about concept of character prior to creation.  Restrictions on what a character can be at that point are utterly seperated from role-playing a character once established.Sorry if I wasn't clear.2. How much and how often do the rules break immersion in role?Well, in your case, this seems to occur here:And, while you must be aware that this rule did not break immersion for many others, equally you must be aware that some of 4e's rules do for many others.  I very much doubt that there is any rule one can institute which will not damage immersion for someone.As I said before, this second part is going to be highly subjective.  That doesn't, however, mean that it should not be discussed....or that it cannot be discussed, calmly and respectfully, without automatically being perceived as "edition warring" or calling what someone else likes "wrongbadfun".I.e., your complaint here about 1e is perfectly valid.  So, too, are the complaints of some others about 4e.  Not every complaint about 1e is equally valid, nor is every complaint about 4e.But examining where immersion breaks on the hard rocks of the rules is of particular value to game designers, IMHO.  It is of perhaps slightly less value to game players, but it is still of value nonetheless.Again, IMHO.RC</blockquote>

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