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The "We Can't Roleplay" in 4E Argument
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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5577741" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>I'll hold my tongue at most of the post this was taken from to only address this (regarding Scheherezade):</p><p></p><p></p><p>Dude, that's a classic strawman regarding D&D and mapping figures of myth, legend and fiction to its character classes.</p><p></p><p>There is seldom, if ever, a perfect fit. The skalds and other singing characters of northern European myths didn't use whips or rapiers...and many favored heavy blades & axes. On the flipside, Orpheus wasn't much for wearing armor or fighting at all.</p><p></p><p>Most D&D classes are chimaera; catch-alls of characteristics from a variety of sources so that you can take a broad range of characters and shohorn 'em in. Sometimes, they'll be overbroad. Sometimes, they'll seem oddly restrictive.</p><p></p><p>Let me ask you, would you have typed out a similar reply if I had said Achilles should probably be a Fighter because he didn't wear Chainmail or Plate and probably wasn't proficient in crossbow, Glaive and bastard swords? Is Aragon any less a D&D ranger because he doesn't have an Animal Companion or cast spells? Are Jeanne D'Arc, Lancelot du Lac and Roland not paladins because they couldn't summon a mount from thin air?Wouldn't you use the D&D Monk for a martial artist in a classic Chinese wushu film even if he mixed his Kung Fu with a spear?</p><p></p><p>Replies like the one I quoted don't help anyone's arguments.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5577741, member: 19675"] I'll hold my tongue at most of the post this was taken from to only address this (regarding Scheherezade): Dude, that's a classic strawman regarding D&D and mapping figures of myth, legend and fiction to its character classes. There is seldom, if ever, a perfect fit. The skalds and other singing characters of northern European myths didn't use whips or rapiers...and many favored heavy blades & axes. On the flipside, Orpheus wasn't much for wearing armor or fighting at all. Most D&D classes are chimaera; catch-alls of characteristics from a variety of sources so that you can take a broad range of characters and shohorn 'em in. Sometimes, they'll be overbroad. Sometimes, they'll seem oddly restrictive. Let me ask you, would you have typed out a similar reply if I had said Achilles should probably be a Fighter because he didn't wear Chainmail or Plate and probably wasn't proficient in crossbow, Glaive and bastard swords? Is Aragon any less a D&D ranger because he doesn't have an Animal Companion or cast spells? Are Jeanne D'Arc, Lancelot du Lac and Roland not paladins because they couldn't summon a mount from thin air?Wouldn't you use the D&D Monk for a martial artist in a classic Chinese wushu film even if he mixed his Kung Fu with a spear? Replies like the one I quoted don't help anyone's arguments. [/QUOTE]
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