Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Million Dollar TTRPG Crowdfunders
Most Anticipated Tabletop RPGs Of The Year
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
ShortQuests -- Pocket Sized Adventures! An all-new collection of digest-sized D&D adventures designed for 1-2 game sessions.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
The weapon that got the shaft
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Tilla the Hun (work)" data-source="post: 1453118" data-attributes="member: 14214"><p>Spearmen, even en masse, were not commonly deployed as an offensive troop on the medieval battlefield. Their most common use was to anchor a line in a defensive fashion. They could hold their own against anything short of archers and/or heavy cavalry charges - provided they were only holding the line instead of advancing. I would be interested in references where the Romans advanced a spear line against a foe.</p><p></p><p>DnD accurately reflects this if you stack two rows of 2 to 4 spearmen in a confined space. Any attacker finds themselves fighting 1 on 4 if the spearmen are fighting from a defensive position.</p><p></p><p>However, PC's tend to be skirmishers, not line holders. Archers, swordsmen, and the like are what you drift toward as a PC fighter, not halberd, long spear, guisarme types unless it's a specific character concept. Who wants to go hiking through the woods with a 8-10' spear sticking up???</p><p></p><p>Your mention of hunting with a spear is in reference to the short spear or hunting spear or boar spear, right? None of those exceeded 6' in reach.</p><p></p><p>Ever see paintings of a spearman company on the march? They've got those long wooden poles sticking up about twice as tall as themselves.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The Romans proved that spearmen were relatively ineffective against ranged attackers and decently trained infantry men who stepped up to the 10' range and hacked the steel tips of the spears.</p><p></p><p>In medieval armys, spearmen were upgraded to pikemen whenever possible due to improved performance vs infantry and cavalry. Spear and Shield tactics, even en masse, were relatively rare by the end of the medieval period.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Spears serve a purpose in DnD, however, for the tactically minded party advancing down a corridor. Similar to equipping everyone with a ranged wpn for open area combat, it simply improves net performance if your front rank has swords, your second rank has spears (or halberds, pikes, etc), and your third rank has bows. Anything trying to close has to fight everyone at the same time. When your party, even at 3rd level, gets 6 attacks per round on one creature, it makes a huge difference.</p><p></p><p>Bottom line: I don't see anything wrong with the spear rules as written. Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to what you precisely see wrong with them?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tilla the Hun (work), post: 1453118, member: 14214"] Spearmen, even en masse, were not commonly deployed as an offensive troop on the medieval battlefield. Their most common use was to anchor a line in a defensive fashion. They could hold their own against anything short of archers and/or heavy cavalry charges - provided they were only holding the line instead of advancing. I would be interested in references where the Romans advanced a spear line against a foe. DnD accurately reflects this if you stack two rows of 2 to 4 spearmen in a confined space. Any attacker finds themselves fighting 1 on 4 if the spearmen are fighting from a defensive position. However, PC's tend to be skirmishers, not line holders. Archers, swordsmen, and the like are what you drift toward as a PC fighter, not halberd, long spear, guisarme types unless it's a specific character concept. Who wants to go hiking through the woods with a 8-10' spear sticking up??? Your mention of hunting with a spear is in reference to the short spear or hunting spear or boar spear, right? None of those exceeded 6' in reach. Ever see paintings of a spearman company on the march? They've got those long wooden poles sticking up about twice as tall as themselves. The Romans proved that spearmen were relatively ineffective against ranged attackers and decently trained infantry men who stepped up to the 10' range and hacked the steel tips of the spears. In medieval armys, spearmen were upgraded to pikemen whenever possible due to improved performance vs infantry and cavalry. Spear and Shield tactics, even en masse, were relatively rare by the end of the medieval period. Spears serve a purpose in DnD, however, for the tactically minded party advancing down a corridor. Similar to equipping everyone with a ranged wpn for open area combat, it simply improves net performance if your front rank has swords, your second rank has spears (or halberds, pikes, etc), and your third rank has bows. Anything trying to close has to fight everyone at the same time. When your party, even at 3rd level, gets 6 attacks per round on one creature, it makes a huge difference. Bottom line: I don't see anything wrong with the spear rules as written. Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to what you precisely see wrong with them? [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
The weapon that got the shaft
Top