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<blockquote data-quote="rounser" data-source="post: 5400723" data-attributes="member: 1106">You can play that card if you like, but it's just identifying how the culture of the game has changed, and how much has been lost.&nbsp; The badwrongfun according to the majority is the whimsy, not the mainstream &quot;my campaign is serious&quot; crowd.As far as BadWrongFun goes, WOTC has written essays on the topic of &quot;Why We're Not Funny&quot;, so you've been conditioned to consider the very thing I'm suggesting as misrepresented and misunderstood as BadWrongFun by the current makers of the game.&nbsp; That's a movement for badwrongfun.You guys represent the mainstream, concensus view.&nbsp; Trying to claim victim status is a bit weak, I'm just saying that somewhere, someone might have made a mistake and got the ban on whimsy terribly wrong.I don't &quot;prefer&quot; whimsy, I just flag it as having been removed from the palette by people such as yourself - and in the past, myself.&nbsp; Often thoughtlessly, because your perspective is the dominant one, and most people don't seem to pay more than a moment's thought beyond &quot;my campaign is serious, this is not, ditch it&quot;.&nbsp; It's an uphill battle because it's not intuitive - it's only with experience that you recognise that by doing this you ditch some of the most precious gems of the D&amp;D experience.I'll reclarify BryonD - I don't care what you do, I'm just making a point that there are many like you, including myself, and perhaps we've been a bit hasty and shallow in our dismissal of whimsy.&nbsp; Perhaps we're even (shudder) wrong in de-emphasising it so pointedly as incompatible with, say, grimdark (as discussed earlier in the thread).Anyway, hope I've got a few people reconsidering, because although you guys want to claim persecution status for your styles of gaming, whimsy is the thing that has really been persecuted and removed from the game here.&nbsp; There's plenty of aspiring-to-be epic, dramatic, heroic po-faced stuff in the current D&amp;D culture, so to make the claim of badwrongfun about that is highly ironic.&nbsp; I'm just suggesting that some further turf for whimsy should perhaps be reclaimed, though of course not at your table. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I suggest your Baloon of Serious Business potentially needs deflating a bit.&nbsp; IMO, art just seems to go through cycles of pretentiousness and self-importance, and backlashes against the same, as I suggested earlier in the thread.&nbsp; Hackmaster and the OSR could be considered the D&amp;D side backlash, arguably.&nbsp; And so it goes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rounser, post: 5400723, member: 1106"] You can play that card if you like, but it's just identifying how the culture of the game has changed, and how much has been lost. The badwrongfun according to the majority is the whimsy, not the mainstream "my campaign is serious" crowd. As far as BadWrongFun goes, WOTC has written essays on the topic of "Why We're Not Funny", so you've been conditioned to consider the very thing I'm suggesting as misrepresented and misunderstood as BadWrongFun by the current makers of the game. [i]That's[/i] a movement for badwrongfun. You guys represent the mainstream, concensus view. Trying to claim victim status is a bit weak, I'm just saying that somewhere, someone might have made a mistake and got the ban on whimsy terribly wrong. I don't "prefer" whimsy, I just flag it as having been removed from the palette by people such as yourself - and in the past, myself. Often thoughtlessly, because your perspective is the dominant one, and most people don't seem to pay more than a moment's thought beyond "my campaign is serious, this is not, ditch it". It's an uphill battle because it's not intuitive - it's only with experience that you recognise that by doing this you ditch some of the most precious gems of the D&D experience. I'll reclarify BryonD - I don't care what you do, I'm just making a point that there are many like you, including myself, and perhaps we've been a bit hasty and shallow in our dismissal of whimsy. Perhaps we're even (shudder) [i]wrong[/i] in de-emphasising it so pointedly as incompatible with, say, grimdark (as discussed earlier in the thread). Anyway, hope I've got a few people reconsidering, because although you guys want to claim persecution status for your styles of gaming, whimsy is the thing that has really been persecuted and removed from the game here. There's plenty of aspiring-to-be epic, dramatic, heroic po-faced stuff in the current D&D culture, so to make the claim of badwrongfun about that is highly ironic. I'm just suggesting that some further turf for whimsy should perhaps be reclaimed, though of course not at your table. ;) I suggest your Baloon of Serious Business potentially needs deflating a bit. IMO, art just seems to go through cycles of pretentiousness and self-importance, and backlashes against the same, as I suggested earlier in the thread. Hackmaster and the OSR could be considered the D&D side backlash, arguably. And so it goes. [/QUOTE]

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