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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9411738" data-attributes="member: 18">I guess for me "other people's views of things" is virtually never the reason I'm "not embracing joy", and like, your original posts seem to really only focus on that and cynicism in general as possible reasons for people "not embracing joy", when personally, just going on my own experience of life, and what I see in friends/family, I'd say those were not top 10 "failure to embrace joy issues" for most people I know.So if the discussion is about embracing joy in one's life and the barriers to it in general, I think it's important to look at all the issues, not just some of them.But that doesn't mean the ones you list don't happen. For example, I do see "other people's views of things" impacting for example, my father, who like, self-image-wise, feels he can't enjoy certain things basically because it would either be embarrassing to him if his snobby friends found out, or because it would damage his own self-image as this sort of quite... I dunno what the word is quite... erudite... not quite the right word... person. But the reason that is probably one of the #1 issues for him is that the more common barriers are out of the way, that really genuinely, if he stopped thinking/caring so much about what other people might think, he'd be better off - and he has a bit, but he's still got some hang-ups there.Sure, but my point is that's so much more easily said than done for most people, especially those who are in difficult life situations, and/or suffering from anxiety. Really like, my own ADHD I used to think I would cure if I could - I'd be a lot richer and in a better position if I didn't have it - but would I be happier? I think actually it makes it so much easier for me "embrace joy" at times when a lot of bad stuff is happening that make it easier for me to deal with stuff than people around me. It is a skill to some extent, yeah, and I think a lot of the time, people have either lead a life which wasn't difficult until it suddenly was, and haven't developed it, or have been under such constant stress for so long that even if they've had it, it's atrophied.Also, I don't think "life gets you down" and "genuinely suffering from real-cause problems, which naturally lead to stress/anxiety" are quite exactly the same.</blockquote>

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