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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6487853" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>Ah, and now we get to the meat of it, and one of the biggest things I have a problem with. You seem to have this belief that unless another player optimized their PC, they are hurting you directly. I don't buy that for a second. If I'm a player, I want to play the concept I want to play. Not the PC *you* think I should play. </p><p></p><p>And since I haven't seen a single player choose to play a truly inept PC who was only good at underwater basketweaving, this is a false argument that never actually happens. I really wish you (and people who present this same argument) would stop with the assumption that if a PC isn't optimized to your standards, they are inept. That is flat out false.</p><p></p><p>And to be honest, I think your attitude does the hobby a huge disservice. Telling people their concepts are inept or worthless because they don't meet your DPR standards makes them not want to play the game. You're turning away potential players.</p><p></p><p>In fact, that's the reason I didn't get into 3e. I wanted to play an arcane archer, and was told repeatedly that it was a worthless concept and I could do a better concept by following this alternative build path. I said, "screw 3e, I don't need that crap" right off. Luckily for me, I had been playing D&D for decades before that, so I kept playing my AD&D and was happy. If I were a brand new player? That would have turned me off to the hobby as a whole.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6487853, member: 15700"] Ah, and now we get to the meat of it, and one of the biggest things I have a problem with. You seem to have this belief that unless another player optimized their PC, they are hurting you directly. I don't buy that for a second. If I'm a player, I want to play the concept I want to play. Not the PC *you* think I should play. And since I haven't seen a single player choose to play a truly inept PC who was only good at underwater basketweaving, this is a false argument that never actually happens. I really wish you (and people who present this same argument) would stop with the assumption that if a PC isn't optimized to your standards, they are inept. That is flat out false. And to be honest, I think your attitude does the hobby a huge disservice. Telling people their concepts are inept or worthless because they don't meet your DPR standards makes them not want to play the game. You're turning away potential players. In fact, that's the reason I didn't get into 3e. I wanted to play an arcane archer, and was told repeatedly that it was a worthless concept and I could do a better concept by following this alternative build path. I said, "screw 3e, I don't need that crap" right off. Luckily for me, I had been playing D&D for decades before that, so I kept playing my AD&D and was happy. If I were a brand new player? That would have turned me off to the hobby as a whole. [/QUOTE]
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