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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tormyr" data-source="post: 6430805" data-attributes="member: 6776887">Sleight of Hand is not what is used for thieves tools.  Tool proficiencies are not tied to any single ability score like skills are, and they are not used when using a skill.  Tool proficiency cab be tied to any ability score as the DM sees fit.  So removing a trap is proficiency + DEX, which can be different from a rogue's sleight of hand bonus if the rogue is proficient in one but not the other or has expertise in one but not the other.In any case, the player only applies proficiency or expertise if they have it for that tool, and if the player does not have it, in many cases they cannot use the tool and hope for success.Removing a trap: thieves' tools + DEXConvince a potential employer that the rogue is the thief for the job: thieves' tools + CHAPlay the lute: Lute + DEXAppraise a lute: Lute + IntWin at dragonchess: dragonchess + IntBluff to convince opponent to draw at dragonchess: dragonchess + CHAThe important thing to remember is that the tool lets you add your proficiency or expertise to an ability check (not a skill check) while using the tools.</blockquote>