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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arken" data-source="post: 938315" data-attributes="member: 3469">Thankyou again for answering, your thoughts certainly help <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Alright I'm nearly convinced that it could be on the remote side of balanced <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> given the powers given to half fiends and celestials. However whilst the monsterous spiders are admittedly rather feeble despite their HD there are vermin out there in wizards products that have freaky huge powers and lower HD. Maybe I could rule that only the standard vermin can be summoned, it would certainly balance it a bit more. Or I could set the limit to 5HD per level instead perhaps. Especially since it's a template, and whilst I know that since it's in the ELH it should only be applied to those characters I would have liked to have applied it to a slightly lower level creature (level 10 - 15) where that 20th level casting ability might be a bit too much.I'm not just being difficult for no reason though, obviously I'm not going to allow anything that would break teh game it's just trying to find a happy medium <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Just as a point of interest I'll put down a few of the potentialy game breaking things possible if ANY vermin was allowed.200HD = from the fiend folio 13 x Bonespear (CR12, 15HD) Demonic large crickets5 x Century Worm (CR 19, 40HD) Truly concerning gargantuan worm with an 'odd' appearance40 x Plague Ant Swarm (CR 5, 10HD)40 x Rapture Locust Swarm (CR 6, 10HD)from the MMII6 x Megapede (CR 20, HD 32) Perhaps the most broken one going15 x Leechwalker (CR 10, 13HD)Wahahahaha! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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