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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Archer" data-source="post: 164740" data-attributes="member: 2950">I didn't think tempest was so weird. The only extra required feats are the spring attack chain. Tempest is essentially exactly like 10 levels of fighter but it gets 2 feats unique to their class instead of 2 feats of choice that a fighter would have. The off-hand parry is just window dressing.Forsaker makes sense but just has a few small implementation problems. The forsaker's powers aren't magic. By not relying on magic as a crutch, he awakens his full natural potential. He needs the powers for game balance anyway. What he needs but doesn't have is Detect Magic (ex) at 1st level and the destroying of magic items should be banked with a declining balance.Weaponmaster: weird, I vote for it, the requirements run counter to the flavor text and class concept.Warmaster: runnerup for stupid requirements, I guess that was their plan to make it fighter only.Exotic Weapon Master: has rage just to limit it to barbarians so people wouldn't complain so freaking much about them not getting anything.I'm amazed how some designers don't even think of problems that thousands of other people notice immediately. Sometimes a published class is just as messed up as the house rule PrC's people write for free. I remember the 25 versions of the bladesinger after TB came out and before the errated version. I think Monte Cook was so right about many designers not even playing the game and so have no concept of rules questions that occur to anyone who plays monthly. Sometimes classes are based around something totally useless like the ghostwalker or the zombie master, at least forsaker and tempest have clearly defined paths.</blockquote>

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