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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bwgwl" data-source="post: 167061" data-attributes="member: 3876">while i like your idea of prestige feats and such, i wanted to specifically comment on the quote above.1. metagame knowledge -- i can sort of buy that argument, but not in every case. sometimes that level1 character is going to know, in-game, what the requirements are for a PrClass. and in that case, it's not metagaming for the PC to plan it out from L1.2. never seen one -- who says? maybe the character's father was a chibby chub, or his uncle, or his neighbor, or maybe there was a guild of chibby chubs in his hometown, or maybe a traveling chibby chub passed through a few years ago and inspired him.if the Knights of the Rising Hodge are a prestige class, and the Knights of the Rising Hodge have been defending the duchy of Upper Fnordia for generations, then a L1 character from Upper Fnordia who has been dreaming of joining the Knights of the Rising Hodge his whole life is going to know very well what the requirements for entry are, and what he needs to accomplish and be capable of before being allowed to join.if the PrClass is an organization that exists in the world, there will most likely be a body of common knowledge about that organization that exists that PCs will know. thus, they should indeed be able to plan their skill and feat purchases with the PrClass in mind from L1 (should they so desire) and i don't see that as metagame thinking at all.also, i think i may have a different conception of organization-based PrClasses. just because an organization offers a PrClass, doesn't mean every member of that organization has levels in it.for example, in a thieves' guild that offers a PrClass that requires you to be a 6th level rogue to qualify for, there will most definitely be members who are 1st-5th level rogues. these rogues obviously won't have access to the PrClass, but will be very well-informed about the requirements, as they know what they need to be capable of in order to "move up the ranks" in the organization.3. i see your point here -- for self-trained PrClasses.on a positive note, i definitely agree with the notion that PrClass should be the DM's purview and not the publisher's -- except in published settings. generic products should not have PrClasses, because, IMO, all PrClasses should be setting-specific.i like the idea of your Prestige Feats but i still see the need for PrClasses. Prestige Feats would be good if you only wanted to give one special or unique ability to a character, because of the relative scarcity of feats. PrClasses are good when there's a small handful of unique abilities that fit well together as a common theme, that are usually found in the same individuals.</blockquote>

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