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<blockquote data-quote="JeffB" data-source="post: 6174704" data-attributes="member: 518"><p>Adventure support.</p><p></p><p>I am a 4e fan, but it has abysmal adventure support. There is not much of it, and what is there is pretty poor overall. I re-upped my DDI sub and was combing through Dungeon Mag and yikes...alot of dreck,same a sthe published modules from.WOTC. BTW,what is the Chaos Scar?</p><p></p><p>As far as 3.x/PF, I love the basic systems, but am not a fan of the rules ad nauseum, system mastery built in, the amount of prep , and having to reference 2 or 3 books during play.</p><p></p><p>BUT- TONS of adventure support. Yes plenty of dreck in the D20 glut, but plenty of good adventures too. Whether 3pp, or Dungeon mag or even some of the free stuff WOTC used to post on their website. With PF now, and companies like Frog God, and others, it is not hard to find quality material to use, and all of it, as we all know, is largely compatible. This alone keeps my 3.x/PF books around. I know if I had to run prepublished stuff because my schedule gets even tighter, I would be running 3.x.</p><p></p><p>With OD&D(and S&W) I often improvise adventures and encounters on the fly...easypeasy..AC, HD, HP, Damage the single S&W saving throw. I can usually get away with some ideas and a downloaded map and everything I need is usually in one book and quick to find. But with 4e, and 3e this becomes much more difficult (though I find 4e easier than 3e, it is still a PITA).</p><p></p><p>But I have a family, and prep and game time is minimal. I love having the ability to quickly find a good pre-made adventure and PLAY, NOT PREP.</p><p></p><p>With D&D NEXT, this is biggest hurdle for me to adopt the system. Quality adventure support and ease of running off the cuff is a must.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JeffB, post: 6174704, member: 518"] Adventure support. I am a 4e fan, but it has abysmal adventure support. There is not much of it, and what is there is pretty poor overall. I re-upped my DDI sub and was combing through Dungeon Mag and yikes...alot of dreck,same a sthe published modules from.WOTC. BTW,what is the Chaos Scar? As far as 3.x/PF, I love the basic systems, but am not a fan of the rules ad nauseum, system mastery built in, the amount of prep , and having to reference 2 or 3 books during play. BUT- TONS of adventure support. Yes plenty of dreck in the D20 glut, but plenty of good adventures too. Whether 3pp, or Dungeon mag or even some of the free stuff WOTC used to post on their website. With PF now, and companies like Frog God, and others, it is not hard to find quality material to use, and all of it, as we all know, is largely compatible. This alone keeps my 3.x/PF books around. I know if I had to run prepublished stuff because my schedule gets even tighter, I would be running 3.x. With OD&D(and S&W) I often improvise adventures and encounters on the fly...easypeasy..AC, HD, HP, Damage the single S&W saving throw. I can usually get away with some ideas and a downloaded map and everything I need is usually in one book and quick to find. But with 4e, and 3e this becomes much more difficult (though I find 4e easier than 3e, it is still a PITA). But I have a family, and prep and game time is minimal. I love having the ability to quickly find a good pre-made adventure and PLAY, NOT PREP. With D&D NEXT, this is biggest hurdle for me to adopt the system. Quality adventure support and ease of running off the cuff is a must. [/QUOTE]
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