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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Geron Raveneye" data-source="post: 3751212" data-attributes="member: 2268">I can only comment on The Gamers, since it's the only of the things you list I know...but nope, it's a slight difference.The difference is not in who's saying it, but why. The Gamers is a satire (along with KoDT or Order of the Stick, both of which I enjoy tremendously). Satire for the sake of poking fun at some of the habits and quirks of RPG players is perfectly okay with me. If I wasn't able to laugh at my own silly shortcomings now and then, I'd probably pity myself from the outside or something.Satire for the sake of selling me something "new & shiny" is a different thing altogether. That video doesn't say "You play silly because that's how you play, and because you like it", it says "You play that way because the rules are bad and you are too uncreative to make them different, which is why you NEED to buy our new edition, because it smoothes over ALL the bumps, and comes with extra polish".Essentially, satire to hold up a mirror to myself is okay. Satire to get a hand in my wallet isn't.Mind that I'm not saying 4E is bad...and I can easily understand the gamer's enthusiasm that drips from every playtest report of the 4E designers right now (I know how enthusiastic I used to be towards my fellow gamers when I playtested some houserule of mine <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> ), but this video set a tone in the marketing that colors my perception of the rest...sad but true. Probably would have been lots better if that video hadn't been one of the first to pop up here....first impressions and all that. In this case, the marketing strategy didn't make a favorable first impression on me, and thus the rest has to pay the bill for that.I'll still wait for the actual game to get any first impressions from that, though. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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