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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 9154858" data-attributes="member: 58172">I stand by the Vengeance Paladin being especially about civilization, urbanization, crime fighting, keeping the peace, and being a public servant.That said.On reading the Playtest descriptions, the Ancients "love the lifegiving things of the world, more than honor, courage, and justice." This seems to intentionally contrast Glory. Honor is quintessentially Glory, but where Glory strives for "heroism", the courage and justice" also apply. The contrast is a bit off and asymmetric, but it is something like appreciating nature versus seeking social status, hence wild life versus societal life.In this way, the contrasts seem to "supposed" to be:PALADIN• Devotion (inspiration, positive reinforcement) / Vengeance (punishment, negative reinforcement)• Ancients (wild life) / Glory (societal life)I am fond of color coding the Paladin, according to the Arthurian knights and related symbolism.• Devotion = white knight• Vengeance = red knight• Ancients = green knight• Glory = blue knightHere blue symbolizes "trusty" − reliable, strong, loyal, honest, faithful, principled − and here correlates solidarity with teammates and being heroes.Red is ferocious military strength, passion, and occasionally devilry or magnanimity. More swat team, less traffic cop, plus occasional overreach and corruption, but also can be solid public servants.There is no black knight here, because in D&D the black knight connotes the Evil Anti-Paladin. But for the symbolism, the color black more so connotes anonymity, with the identifying heraldry being covered over by the color black. Stories often have mysterious black knight defeat and humiliate the hero in a public duel, often by means of trickery or other surprising advantage, but then in a plot twist later on, turns out to become a powerful ally of the hero, such as a king who was fighting while disguised. The heros honorable response to being defeated is what impresses the black knight.</blockquote>

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