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<blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 5553782" data-attributes="member: 59057"><p>@ Aegeri: I am still sorry to say that, but <em>people like you</em>, who were contend with the structure and playing epic had a good year.</p><p></p><p>People <em>like me</em>, who really liked the new direction of the game, but who were not so content with the type of support, especially the fokus on epic level (which i frankly don´t like that much...), now have some good times...</p><p></p><p>I actually liked that game before essentials, but i really like the way, some things are done in essentials (as there are also some things that are worse than before...)</p><p></p><p>I didn´t want to insult you, and I am sorry for that, and i don´t even want you to shut up. But I would be pleased, if you don´t come to every thread and tell us how everything is bad and broken and badwrongfun. Even if you don´t mean it that way, this is how it reads... it reminds me a lot to those edition wars between 3.5 crowd and 4e crowd...</p><p></p><p>Lets focus on some specifics:</p><p></p><p> @<u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=41744" target="_blank">EP</a></u> ic support:</p><p>Material support for epic is there right now. Enough to play year long campaigns. Not a month ago, there was a great article how to make a dragon epic. We get support, but really big quality support needs time.</p><p></p><p>@ different structure:</p><p>I know you think otherwise, but it really makes no sense to release the same things all over again and again, just with little different numbers and such.</p><p>The complains we had at the beginning of 4e would have become justified if PHB 3 and HOTFX books had the same contend again.</p><p>This is the reason why the class compendium was scratched: not a lot of people would have liked to buy the same things they already had. (I had bought it, as i simply refused to buy "Core 1 books".) As Dragon Articles, they make perfectly sense!</p><p></p><p>@ Beeing negative:</p><p>In the 3.0 era, I actually went to andy collins`s forum and told him how crappy i thought his epic handbook was... i was frustrated about this contend. I got an answer from him. He told me how unpolite it is to come to his board and make such comments. He showed, that he was a great guy, but still, i didn´t like a lot of the material he produced... maybe we are just incompatible. </p><p>I also made a comment about Pathfinder which earned me a justified week long ban. </p><p></p><p>We just have to accept: not everything produced is for us, and it is good that way: we save some money and some people will find material they like.</p><p></p><p>With the death of "everything is core" you are encouraged to take away the material you don´t like in your games. I did that in 3.5 and it worked fine.</p><p></p><p>So if you don´t like the material, be voicy about it, but don´t say it is crap without proofs. (The monster builder and the feats in Heroes of shadows are things I agree with more or less, but I also don´t like your solutions to be honest).</p><p></p><p>You can come here and tell us how you don´t like it. But making subjective statements in the way you do seems also insulting for those people who like it that way. I also think it is especially insulting for the designers, who actually listened to their customers...</p><p> </p><p>An example:</p><p>At the beginning we had voicy complaints about the lack of fluff and too much crunch. Now we got a lot more fluff but less crunch. (That crunch is much more easy to engineer than fluff for me...)</p><p>Wizards needs to find the right balance and has to accept, that people´s tastes differ and you can´t make everyone contend. And it seems like you are just unfortunate at the moment... but I am sure, if you stop complaining around and make productive comments*, your voice may be heard rather faster than later... what about writing some articles yourself?</p><p></p><p>*i have read some productive and well thought out comments, and i liked.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UngeheuerLich, post: 5553782, member: 59057"] @ Aegeri: I am still sorry to say that, but [I]people like you[/I], who were contend with the structure and playing epic had a good year. People [I]like me[/I], who really liked the new direction of the game, but who were not so content with the type of support, especially the fokus on epic level (which i frankly don´t like that much...), now have some good times... I actually liked that game before essentials, but i really like the way, some things are done in essentials (as there are also some things that are worse than before...) I didn´t want to insult you, and I am sorry for that, and i don´t even want you to shut up. But I would be pleased, if you don´t come to every thread and tell us how everything is bad and broken and badwrongfun. Even if you don´t mean it that way, this is how it reads... it reminds me a lot to those edition wars between 3.5 crowd and 4e crowd... Lets focus on some specifics: @[U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=41744"]EP[/URL][/U] ic support: Material support for epic is there right now. Enough to play year long campaigns. Not a month ago, there was a great article how to make a dragon epic. We get support, but really big quality support needs time. @ different structure: I know you think otherwise, but it really makes no sense to release the same things all over again and again, just with little different numbers and such. The complains we had at the beginning of 4e would have become justified if PHB 3 and HOTFX books had the same contend again. This is the reason why the class compendium was scratched: not a lot of people would have liked to buy the same things they already had. (I had bought it, as i simply refused to buy "Core 1 books".) As Dragon Articles, they make perfectly sense! @ Beeing negative: In the 3.0 era, I actually went to andy collins`s forum and told him how crappy i thought his epic handbook was... i was frustrated about this contend. I got an answer from him. He told me how unpolite it is to come to his board and make such comments. He showed, that he was a great guy, but still, i didn´t like a lot of the material he produced... maybe we are just incompatible. I also made a comment about Pathfinder which earned me a justified week long ban. We just have to accept: not everything produced is for us, and it is good that way: we save some money and some people will find material they like. With the death of "everything is core" you are encouraged to take away the material you don´t like in your games. I did that in 3.5 and it worked fine. So if you don´t like the material, be voicy about it, but don´t say it is crap without proofs. (The monster builder and the feats in Heroes of shadows are things I agree with more or less, but I also don´t like your solutions to be honest). You can come here and tell us how you don´t like it. But making subjective statements in the way you do seems also insulting for those people who like it that way. I also think it is especially insulting for the designers, who actually listened to their customers... An example: At the beginning we had voicy complaints about the lack of fluff and too much crunch. Now we got a lot more fluff but less crunch. (That crunch is much more easy to engineer than fluff for me...) Wizards needs to find the right balance and has to accept, that people´s tastes differ and you can´t make everyone contend. And it seems like you are just unfortunate at the moment... but I am sure, if you stop complaining around and make productive comments*, your voice may be heard rather faster than later... what about writing some articles yourself? *i have read some productive and well thought out comments, and i liked. [/QUOTE]
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