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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5557872" data-attributes="member: 82106">Except you STILL fail to note that having an ordinary pet cat doesn't do jack for you. The character in my example didn't want an ordinary pet cat, she wanted a cat that would go on a scouting run with the rogue. I don't care if you're a high level adventurer or what you are, you're not training an ordinary cat to do that, period. An Animal Master is more than fluff. It may be underpowered for a theme, but it is NOT fluff. [MENTION=78116]Aegeri[/MENTION] Agreed on the armies thing. I think 4e may have moved a little bit too much in the other direction in some ways, but actually it is pretty close to AD&D, but with better summons (AD&D summons were a total joke, the very best of them were poor options). OTOH I utterly fail to comprehend your opinion on the Beast Master Ranger. BMR is an extremely potent striker build which trades about 10% of its damage output vs a TBF or Archer build for a very useful pet (one that CAN and WILL survive, does scale, and has all the RP potential of the Animal Handler's animal but also has some modest combat utility). People have fixated on the fact that beasts don't do much damage and seem to have forgotten that the ranger himself does, well, RANGER damage, the best in the game! Yeah, you're going to try to tell me all about Prime Shot blah blah blah, but I've built it, played it, seen it, it is nasty and you don't need the PS feat tree to be downright scary.</blockquote>

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