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<blockquote data-quote="kigmatzomat" data-source="post: 8795271" data-attributes="member: 9254">Yes, and no.&nbsp; A &quot;known spell&quot; caster could keep their spells fixed except at level up if they want.EXCEPT... that 5e :known spell casters: can wind up with only one 1st level spells if they REALLY wanted to and move all those spells to higher levels.&nbsp; A 5e Bard could have up to 7 known 9th level spells. (3 new known spells at level 17-20, plus swapping out 1 lower level spell at the four levels)Yes, that's as dumb as only knowing one 1st but the point remains that a 5e known caster has a different KIND of flexibility than these prepared spell casters. I like the idea of the Bard/sorceror having the &quot;right&quot; mix of spells AND levels for their play style and campaign. Maybe they like a lot of low level spells that upcast, maybe they focus on that useful 3rd-5th zone where you have several spell slots. Or you have the high level caster that is prone to having relevant 7th &amp; 8th level spells without having to use their 9th on Wish to cast the spell they wish they had. (Pun intended)this loses that feature and is &quot;wizard-priest with a guitar&quot;.Plus, I don't want to play a healer. Don't clutter my finite list of available spells with this. Some people do and thats fine but now all bards MUST be healers. If you could heal, but refuse, you are distinctly not a team player. My 5e bard has a smidgen of healing (1st level only) and a few scrolls. Are you hurt enough to blow a scroll? No? Then take a nap and I will play you a lullaby.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kigmatzomat, post: 8795271, member: 9254"] Yes, and no. A "known spell" caster could keep their spells fixed except at level up if they want. EXCEPT... that 5e :known spell casters: can wind up with only one 1st level spells if they REALLY wanted to and move all those spells to higher levels. A 5e Bard could have up to 7 known 9th level spells. (3 new known spells at level 17-20, plus swapping out 1 lower level spell at the four levels) Yes, that's as dumb as only knowing one 1st but the point remains that a 5e known caster has a different KIND of flexibility than these prepared spell casters. I [I]like[/I] the idea of the Bard/sorceror having the "right" mix of spells AND levels for [I]their[/I] play style and campaign. Maybe they like a lot of low level spells that upcast, maybe they focus on that useful 3rd-5th zone where you have several spell slots. Or you have the high level caster that is prone to having relevant 7th & 8th level spells without having to use their 9th on Wish to cast the spell they wish they had. (Pun intended) this loses that feature and is "wizard-priest with a guitar". Plus, I don't want to play a healer. Don't clutter my finite list of available spells with this. Some people do and thats fine but now all bards MUST be healers. If you could heal, but refuse, you are distinctly not a team player. My 5e bard has a smidgen of healing (1st level only) and a few scrolls. Are you hurt enough to blow a scroll? No? Then take a nap and I will play you a lullaby. [/QUOTE]

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