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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8796359" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>If on the other hand you need house rules to fix something that is entirely a design issue. </p><p></p><p>You are asking for house rules (a design issue) and then saying that not having them is a design issue.</p><p></p><p>Fixing broken game design is something tables do. It does not</p><p></p><p>Then just what exactly do you think WotC's job is?</p><p></p><p>And right back atcha. What you are advocating is that all casters should work exactly the same way rather than accommodate a variety of play styles by working in different ways. And then because you have homogenised the game people who previously had some classes that worked with the way they want to play and others that didn't now get precisely zero classes that in this respect play they want to.</p><p></p><p>And you think that because you personally have had the differentiation scrubbed out in order to suit you when different people want different things (or even want different things at different times) that the problem is something other than that now everyone has to play YOUR way? The key benefit of a class system is that different classes can be made to play different ways.</p><p></p><p>If we're moving the ranger out of spells known then what are we moving <em>into</em> that group? The paladin? The artificer? Or are we having zero half caster classes that don't play the way you, [USER=7006]@DEFCON 1[/USER] personally want no matter that not everyone wants to play that way? And do you also want the sorcerer gutted and given over to your personal tastes?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8796359, member: 87792"] If on the other hand you need house rules to fix something that is entirely a design issue. You are asking for house rules (a design issue) and then saying that not having them is a design issue. Fixing broken game design is something tables do. It does not Then just what exactly do you think WotC's job is? And right back atcha. What you are advocating is that all casters should work exactly the same way rather than accommodate a variety of play styles by working in different ways. And then because you have homogenised the game people who previously had some classes that worked with the way they want to play and others that didn't now get precisely zero classes that in this respect play they want to. And you think that because you personally have had the differentiation scrubbed out in order to suit you when different people want different things (or even want different things at different times) that the problem is something other than that now everyone has to play YOUR way? The key benefit of a class system is that different classes can be made to play different ways. If we're moving the ranger out of spells known then what are we moving [I]into[/I] that group? The paladin? The artificer? Or are we having zero half caster classes that don't play the way you, [USER=7006]@DEFCON 1[/USER] personally want no matter that not everyone wants to play that way? And do you also want the sorcerer gutted and given over to your personal tastes? [/QUOTE]
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