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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 8796959" data-attributes="member: 7006">This is a very interesting conversation and it does make me think about it.&nbsp; I will freely admit that my gaming only involves playing with friends and those players we have all cultivated together wherein we know and are comfortable with each others preferences in play.&nbsp; I have done my best to make sure I don't play with others who have expectations that are too disparate from mine.&nbsp; So perhaps I am too privileged to have a more realistic understanding of what others are going through.&nbsp; It could also perhaps be an age thing... where I am just too old to suffer fools gladly and am quite comfortable kicking them to the curb should they consistently behave it a way that I find ridiculous or uncomfortable.So the idea that ANY player would make a request of another player to do something that they do not already know the player is happy to do is just an anathema to me.&nbsp; Am I going too far by saying that requesting player is &quot;toxic&quot;?&nbsp; Yeah, I will concede that.&nbsp; That most likely is not nearly the level the issue is at.&nbsp; But at the same time I still find it to be in tremendous bad form.Would we expect a player to be able to recommend or push a fellow player take X, Y and Z spells at level-up and not think they were being awfully presumptuous (especially if they got seemingly irritated that the player did not follow along?)&nbsp; Of course not.&nbsp; We would probably recommend that player stay in their lane.&nbsp; So the idea that that type of player could make recommendations about what a fellow player should Prepare in the morning is also as presumptuous and I don't think should be given any credence-- even if the player had the best interests in the game or the party at heart.&nbsp; They might not be a &quot;toxic&quot; player... but the attitude can lead down the road towards it.And this is especially true if the second player even told the group before the game started &quot;Oh by the way... these 2024 updated books made Rangers Prepared spellcasters but I think that rule change kinda sucked.&nbsp; So for this campaign I'm going to play this character as though he was a 2014 Ranger and only use Known spells.&nbsp; So I won't be able to change them out every morning.&quot;&nbsp; If you say that and someone else in the group STILL tries to get you to swap out spells because &quot;the book says you can&quot;...?&nbsp; That's even worse.But again... I say that coming from my position wherein I can tell that kind of player to keep their so-called &quot;helpful&quot; comments to themself.&nbsp; If other people don't find themselves in that position and thus just would like the book to do the heavy lifting for them?&nbsp; Fine.&nbsp; I understand.&nbsp; I still think that player needs to find a new group regardless, because if it ain't this one rule it's going to be another where there's going to end up being an issue... but that's not for me to say.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 8796959, member: 7006"] This is a very interesting conversation and it does make me think about it. I will freely admit that my gaming only involves playing with friends and those players we have all cultivated together wherein we know and are comfortable with each others preferences in play. I have done my best to make sure I don't play with others who have expectations that are too disparate from mine. So perhaps I am too privileged to have a more realistic understanding of what others are going through. It could also perhaps be an age thing... where I am just too old to suffer fools gladly and am quite comfortable kicking them to the curb should they consistently behave it a way that I find ridiculous or uncomfortable. So the idea that ANY player would make a request of another player to do something that they do not already know the player is happy to do is just an anathema to me. Am I going too far by saying that requesting player is "toxic"? Yeah, I will concede that. That most likely is not nearly the level the issue is at. But at the same time I still find it to be in tremendous bad form. Would we expect a player to be able to recommend or push a fellow player take X, Y and Z spells at [I]level-up[/I] and not think they were being awfully presumptuous (especially if they got seemingly irritated that the player did not follow along?) Of course not. We would probably recommend that player stay in their lane. So the idea that that type of player could make recommendations about what a fellow player should Prepare in the morning is also as presumptuous and I don't think should be given any credence-- even if the player had the best interests in the game or the party at heart. They might not be a "toxic" player... but the attitude can lead down the road towards it. And this is especially true if the second player even told the group before the game started "Oh by the way... these 2024 updated books made Rangers Prepared spellcasters but I think that rule change kinda sucked. So for this campaign I'm going to play this character as though he was a 2014 Ranger and only use Known spells. So I won't be able to change them out every morning." If you say that and someone else in the group STILL tries to get you to swap out spells because "the book says you can"...? That's even worse. But again... I say that coming from my position wherein I can tell that kind of player to keep their so-called "helpful" comments to themself. If other people don't find themselves in that position and thus just would like the book to do the heavy lifting for them? Fine. I understand. I still think that player needs to find a new group regardless, because if it ain't this one rule it's going to be another where there's going to end up being an issue... but that's not for me to say. [/QUOTE]

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