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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scurvy_Platypus" data-source="post: 5286799" data-attributes="member: 43283">*sigh*And I'm always baffled how people need to leap forward and declare that Essentials isn't 4.5.Let's face it, WotC already handed us lines about what 3.5 was/wasn't...The bolding in the quote above is mine, to emphasize the point WotC was making.Essentials is only 10 products people keep saying. They neglect to remember to mention this part:Look, this whole "3.5 was a Bad Idea" thing is something I don't get. Before 4e, if you said you were still playing 3.0, people would slag you, thought you were nuts and so on. No, not everyone was that way, but the majority of people were. 3.5 was an improvement, they fixed a bunch of stuff that was broken, sure it's not perfect but it's better than 3.0, blah blah blah.Now all of a sudden, people are acting like the 3.5 label is worse than getting some social disease."Essentials" is 4.5. It's simple. And just like when 3.5 came out, you've got a choice as to whether you're going to buy the new products or not. Of course, moving forward, everything is going to be designed with the Essentials/3.5 design assumptions, but all your old stuff will be compatible.It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not some naked dude in the bushes licking toads and doing too much blow off hooker's tummies. We've seen what they said in the past, we've seen how it turned out. We look at what we're being told now and golly, it sounds kinda familiar.I'm not going to get into an argument about this. You've made up your mind and I can for sure tell you that you're not changing my mind. I find it annoying that people continue to paint those of us that are skeptical like we're some sort of raving lunatics with baseless accusations.At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter a single golly damn whether it is 4.5 or not. The design of the game has been stated as changing and they're certainly not going to back down and go, "Dude, you're so right... we totally dropped the ball on that. Tell you what, just ignore the whole Essentials thing, we're going to go back to the way we were designing stuff before Essentials." Whether it's labelled as "4.5" or "that mistake that was Essentials" or "That brilliant standard of rpg design they released as Essentials" or any other label you care to slap on it, it's a done deal.Let the .5 label hate go. You're going to wind up buying it regardless of cynic's opinions. The folks that are pissed or laughing and saying "I told you so! 4.5 in less time than it took them to do 3.5!" are blowing off some steam. Well, mostly.See, that bit that I quoted above from the D&D website? That causes some people concern. "You don't have to buy the Essential books!" Nope. You're right. But if someone doesn't like the premise of Essentials, they're screwed regardless of whether they buy the books or not. Because WotC's said that 4E is going to be following that design for D&D moving forward. In other words, "You don't have to buy another D&D book again."Gamers like buying books, for all sorts of reasons. But that little line is a warning flag, "You might not be buying D&D books until the next edition." Sure, you can show up to talk about 4E... and have little to contribute because you were stupid enough to not like the design philosophy from Essentials forward._That's_ what's getting some folks annoyed and concerned. You might laugh it off as stupid or "*shrug* Well, that's just their choice. Suck it up and deal with it." but it doesn't change the fact that the game is changing and not everyone feels like it needs to. And when change happens, some folks are left behind and not thrilled with it. Given that the hobby is... you know... social... and therefore relies on people being able to connect, having the way you connect with folks changed against your will.... not really a great thing for everyone.I've said my piece. My only point in replying is because I'm kinda tired of the "you're a bunch of lunatics" attitude. Feel free to reply to it if you wish; I'll read it, however I likely won't reply. I don't see this as a topic for discussion, just arguments. If folks on either side aren't willing to change their opinions, after you've got a perspective and a counter perspective (which is what we've got here) offered up, it just becomes an argument and doesn't serve any purpose except train-wreck entertainment.</blockquote>

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