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<blockquote data-quote="Epic Meepo" data-source="post: 3886421" data-attributes="member: 57073">I would be interested in seeing the data you used in calculating the &quot;ENWorld average&quot; you mention. Could you post that somewhere for the rest of us to see?I am genuinely saddened that you think the above conversation in any way characterizes what it is to be Good.Also, regarding the more general theme of &quot;evil is cool&quot; that has been mentioned several times in this thread, much of the &quot;evil&quot; behavior that I see be mentioned as cool doesn't strike me as being very evil at all. Using powers granted by Evil to turn around and thumb your nose at Evil is an act of Chaotic rebellion. Doing cruel things to eliminate an even crueler threat is pure, secret-agent-style Lawful. And teetering between living a righteous life and giving in to one's darker instincts is just plain Neutral.Truly Evil people are serial killers, sexual predators, or others with a similar lack of moral fiber. They willfully hurt others because it makes them feel good about themselves, because it profits them, or because they find it fun. They might murder innocent bystanders as a matter of convenience, or regularly laugh at people who are in pain. In short, they are the people you hope never take an interest in anyone you love.I sincerely hope that no one thinks any of the above is even remotely &quot;cool.&quot;Ultimately, it cheapens what Evil is to say that angsty occultists who believe in eye-for-eye justice and tough sacrifices in the name of justice or revenge are Evil. If that's what one thinks evil is, then one is turning a blind eye to the real problems going on in the world; there are acts many, many times more heinous than any of that stuff happening every day. Compared to real evil, yonder emo PC is just a wannabe evildoer, much as an untalented amateur musician with a guitar is a wannabe rockstar. They're not even in the same league.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Epic Meepo, post: 3886421, member: 57073"] I would be interested in seeing the data you used in calculating the "ENWorld average" you mention. Could you post that somewhere for the rest of us to see? I am genuinely saddened that you think the above conversation in any way characterizes what it is to be Good. Also, regarding the more general theme of "evil is cool" that has been mentioned several times in this thread, much of the "evil" behavior that I see be mentioned as cool doesn't strike me as being very evil at all. Using powers granted by Evil to turn around and thumb your nose at Evil is an act of Chaotic rebellion. Doing cruel things to eliminate an even crueler threat is pure, secret-agent-style Lawful. And teetering between living a righteous life and giving in to one's darker instincts is just plain Neutral. Truly Evil people are serial killers, sexual predators, or others with a similar lack of moral fiber. They willfully hurt others because it makes them feel good about themselves, because it profits them, or because they find it fun. They might murder innocent bystanders as a matter of convenience, or regularly laugh at people who are in pain. In short, they are the people you hope never take an interest in anyone you love. I sincerely hope that no one thinks any of the above is even remotely "cool." Ultimately, it cheapens what Evil is to say that angsty occultists who believe in eye-for-eye justice and tough sacrifices in the name of justice or revenge are Evil. If that's what one thinks evil is, then one is turning a blind eye to the real problems going on in the world; there are acts many, many times more heinous than any of that stuff happening every day. Compared to real evil, yonder emo PC is just a wannabe evildoer, much as an untalented amateur musician with a guitar is a wannabe rockstar. They're not even in the same league. [/QUOTE]

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