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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9455588" data-attributes="member: 63508">Stability is for what we consider STR saves in 5e: Pushes, Trips, Knockdowns, GrapplesFortitude is more body immunity and for Con saves: Poisons, Disease, instant kill, cold, poison, or necrotic damage.Big muscles won't help you survive poison gas. But it would make you harder to push over or back. Allowing Fortitude to use STR or CON is a mechanical crutch to make sure more PCs has good Fortitude.But why don't we just have the strong and tough classes have bonuses to being both strong and tough?Why are do we make PCs only good at 2 of 6 saves or 1 of 3 saves then complain that PCs are weak to too many saving throws?...then nerf to compensate effects?... then say the game is too easy to win but PCs are too vulnerable to bring hosed?In 2e, a fighter's saving throws were all in the low teens or tweens. Poison and Death was ~50/50. And from there they barely grew.To me, a level 10 fighter might be a king's champion or a nationwide known swordmaster. Poisoning them or Knocking them down should be next to impossible unless you are also one or huge in size. They should be quick enough to dodge most fireballs and breath attacks. To take them out you need Psionics or nonphysical Magic.Excellent vs Stability (STR)Good vs Reflex (DEX)Great vs Fortitude (CON)Bad vs Psionics (INT)Okay vs Willpower (WIS)Bad vs Magic (CHA)But a level 10 rogue who is a high ranking thieves guild member or a infamous Asian might be different.Speedy but crafty.Terrible vs Stability (STR)Excellent vs Reflex (DEX)Great vs Fortitude (CON)Great vs Psionics (INT)Good vs Willpower (WIS)Bad vs Magic (CHA)The core idea is that saving throw bonuses should start low but grow fast with level and have multiple options for bonuses. Death poison vs the stablehand: Certain Death. Death poison vs the squire: Likely Death. Death poison vs the knight: Unlikely to kill. Death poison vs the knight commander: HAHAHAHA! I've sipped stronger wine. Give me another dose, coward.</blockquote>

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