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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 9457288" data-attributes="member: 6802951">. . . in order to loot them.(Previous editions based game rewards at least partially on gold gained from loot, and sometimes the gaining of said gold was the primary driving force of party actions.) Generally more recent adventures will have a reason that the party might come into conflict with said tribe other than "They have stuff and we want it." One of the tribe might have stolen something (or at least been accused of that), the tribe might have moved into an area that the party's patron wants them off etc. Yeah. The concept of murdering an entire tribe of people while they sleep in order to take their stuff has lost its lustre somewhat since Gygax's time. I've seen other posters make similar claims here about parties nowadays just face-charging stuff, or the equivalent (along with other complaints about the "youth of today".)I've yet to actually experience it myself however. Most of the groups I'm aware of would generally at least try to parlay or otherwise investigate, which does give up a strategic advantage if some members of the tribe are irredeemably hostile."Face-charging" an enemy encampment would be way too dynamic and decisive for some groups, several of which I've witnessed have ten-minute-plus discussions as to how to open a door. I'd want the "You're dead" to at least be preceded by a well-signposted mistake. Losing a cherished character on a single roll of a 13 where you needed a 15 with no indication that there was a risk and no way you or the rest of the party could mitigate it leaves a bad taste in the mouth.</blockquote>

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