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<blockquote data-quote="GlassJaw" data-source="post: 2180622" data-attributes="member: 22103">Cool.&nbsp; I thought you forgot about this thread!I understand that but I guess I might not be very clear myself either.&nbsp; The magic in Thief overall is VERY limited.&nbsp; IMO, there isn't any alignment-based magic at all and I don't think it really fits.&nbsp; By adding a subtype, regardless of what it actually means is categorizing the various organizations.&nbsp; I just don't want to do that.&nbsp; Law and Chaos are extremely important topics in the game but that's where they should end.&nbsp; I don't want them spilling over into actual mechanics.&nbsp; When that happens, I think part of allure of the setting is lost.I completely agree.&nbsp; I just question whether they need to factor into the magic itself.&nbsp; It's more of a belief system for each faction than anything else.Most of the &quot;magic&quot; is in the devices and machines.&nbsp; Very few of the Hammerites/Builders cast spells - same goes for the pagans.&nbsp; If anything, it's just some simple energy ray/magic missile-type effects.The AP system in GT is significantly different than d20 Modern.&nbsp; The GT AP system is worth the price of admission alone.Well I suppose that is a personal preference but it's the first book I turn to when I start putting together a low-magic campaign.&nbsp; Again, I don't think having specific core classes for a Thief setting is the best option.&nbsp; The Builders for example aren't really clerics and they aren't really paladins.&nbsp; Some are probably just plain fighters.&nbsp; Having a generic class/talent system would work really well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GlassJaw, post: 2180622, member: 22103"] Cool. I thought you forgot about this thread! I understand that but I guess I might not be very clear myself either. The magic in Thief overall is VERY limited. IMO, there isn't any alignment-based magic at all and I don't think it really fits. By adding a subtype, regardless of what it actually means is categorizing the various organizations. I just don't want to do that. Law and Chaos are extremely important topics in the game but that's where they should end. I don't want them spilling over into actual mechanics. When that happens, I think part of allure of the setting is lost. I completely agree. I just question whether they need to factor into the magic itself. It's more of a belief system for each faction than anything else. Most of the "magic" is in the devices and machines. Very few of the Hammerites/Builders cast spells - same goes for the pagans. If anything, it's just some simple energy ray/magic missile-type effects. The AP system in GT is significantly different than d20 Modern. The GT AP system is worth the price of admission alone. Well I suppose that is a personal preference but it's the first book I turn to when I start putting together a low-magic campaign. Again, I don't think having specific core classes for a Thief setting is the best option. The Builders for example aren't really clerics and they aren't really paladins. Some are probably just plain fighters. Having a generic class/talent system would work really well. [/QUOTE]

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