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<blockquote data-quote="Greg Benage" data-source="post: 6982310" data-attributes="member: 93631">I didn't play 4e, but my take on 5e monsters is this: They went overboard defanging the monsters that really need terrifying special abilities by eliminating save-or-die effects and effectively eliminating save-or-suck effects with all the iterative saving throws and nerfed &quot;life drain.&quot; I'm thinking mainly of undead here, but it's not just undead. And at the same time, they added frivolous special abilities to monsters that don't actually need them. As DM, I can run kobolds or wolves as being good at &quot;pack tactics&quot; without a special ability called &quot;pack tactics&quot; that I have to remember and that, ironically, makes it harder to focus my attention on the actual pack tactics they should be using.All that said, the designers probably made the right choice. My preferences for save-or-die and save- (or no-save) and-suck abilities such as level drain probably aren't representative of the hobby these days. But I really don't get why everything needs a special ability. There's still a DM, right? We can still run kobolds that use pack tactics and goblins that are devious ambushers, can't we?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greg Benage, post: 6982310, member: 93631"] I didn't play 4e, but my take on 5e monsters is this: They went overboard defanging the monsters that really need terrifying special abilities by eliminating save-or-die effects and effectively eliminating save-or-suck effects with all the iterative saving throws and nerfed "life drain." I'm thinking mainly of undead here, but it's not just undead. And at the same time, they added frivolous special abilities to monsters that don't actually need them. As DM, I can run kobolds or wolves as being good at "pack tactics" without a special ability called "pack tactics" that I have to remember and that, ironically, makes it harder to focus my attention on the actual pack tactics they should be using. All that said, the designers probably made the right choice. My preferences for save-or-die and save- (or no-save) and-suck abilities such as level drain probably aren't representative of the hobby these days. But I really don't get why everything needs a special ability. There's still a DM, right? We can still run kobolds that use pack tactics and goblins that are devious ambushers, can't we? [/QUOTE]

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