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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6985589" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>If you haven't said them directly, you're the first one to come defending them and to argue with the other side. Like right now. Another reason why I said I don't believe you earlier, because you participated in threads that you in this thread acted like you had no idea who or what was being argued. Of course you do. For someone who constantly cites other posts and threads, I don't buy that suddenly you don't remember anyone making arguments that aren't convenient for you.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I already explained this in the previous post, an explanation that I can't help but notice that you removed from your quote of me. Let's try this again. <strong>I'm</strong> not determining what role playing is or isn't. I'm using the common definition. Not sure why that's difficult for you to grasp. Do you think more people would consider wrath of ashardalon a board game, or a role playing game? Well, it's classified as a board game. So when someone ignores the aspects of what makes a role playing game a role playing game and plays it like a roll playing boardgame (like WoA), then they are playing a boardgame. That's not me being a gatekeeper, that's me using the proper definitions of what things are. It doesn't matter what you say you're doing, it matters what you ARE doing. If I'm washing my car, I can't tell people I'm painting it and then accuse them of insulting me if they point out that no, I'm not painting my car.</p><p></p><p>This whole attitude of "you need to accept whatever I say or <em>you're</em> the bad guy" needs to stop, especially when said opinion is not factual. I think it was Neil DeGrasse Tyson who said (and I paraphrase), "The problem is people need to stop holding their opinion on equal footing and importance as fact." So when someone describes their play absent of role-playing aspects, it's not pejorative at all to tell them that's not role playing. That's pointing out a fact.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and when I say "you" in my earlier posts, I was talking in the general you, not you specifically. I thought that was apparent by my sentence structure.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6985589, member: 15700"] If you haven't said them directly, you're the first one to come defending them and to argue with the other side. Like right now. Another reason why I said I don't believe you earlier, because you participated in threads that you in this thread acted like you had no idea who or what was being argued. Of course you do. For someone who constantly cites other posts and threads, I don't buy that suddenly you don't remember anyone making arguments that aren't convenient for you. I already explained this in the previous post, an explanation that I can't help but notice that you removed from your quote of me. Let's try this again. [b]I'm[/b] not determining what role playing is or isn't. I'm using the common definition. Not sure why that's difficult for you to grasp. Do you think more people would consider wrath of ashardalon a board game, or a role playing game? Well, it's classified as a board game. So when someone ignores the aspects of what makes a role playing game a role playing game and plays it like a roll playing boardgame (like WoA), then they are playing a boardgame. That's not me being a gatekeeper, that's me using the proper definitions of what things are. It doesn't matter what you say you're doing, it matters what you ARE doing. If I'm washing my car, I can't tell people I'm painting it and then accuse them of insulting me if they point out that no, I'm not painting my car. This whole attitude of "you need to accept whatever I say or [i]you're[/i] the bad guy" needs to stop, especially when said opinion is not factual. I think it was Neil DeGrasse Tyson who said (and I paraphrase), "The problem is people need to stop holding their opinion on equal footing and importance as fact." So when someone describes their play absent of role-playing aspects, it's not pejorative at all to tell them that's not role playing. That's pointing out a fact. Oh, and when I say "you" in my earlier posts, I was talking in the general you, not you specifically. I thought that was apparent by my sentence structure. [/QUOTE]
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