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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6986502" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>Again, I'm not using my opinion. I'm using the actual definitions. A game like Wrath of A is a boardgame, not an RPG. That's how it's classified. Your opinion or my opinion doesn't matter. What differentiates that boardgame from an RPG like D&D? Go ahead, I'd like to see your list.</p><p></p><p>My argument is that if someone ignores and/or doesn't play with any of those things that differentiates a TTRPG from a boardgame, then they are playing a boardgame. Because that's what's happening by the definition. Sorry, but you don't get to change how things are defined because you feel insulted by people pointing out facts to you. For the life of me, I have no idea why you think a boardgame is worse than a TTRPG, or not a "legit" or whatever because you assume someone pointing that out is a pejorative. I like boardgames. I like RPGs. Neither is better or gives more geek cred than the other. They're just different. So if someone take an RPG and removes the role-playing elements (effectively turning that into a boardgame), pointing out that they are playing a boardgame is not an insult in any way unless that person somehow thinks boardgames are inherently worse than TTRPGs.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, that's completely irrelevant. This is not a subjective topic. What defines an RPG is objective. It has clear elements to it. It doesn't matter what people think. Lots of people think the earth is flat, that doesn't mean we should go around and accept their opinions, and it doesn't mean we insult them when we say that the earth is in fact round.</p><p></p><p>I don't get angry just because someone is dissatisfied with a mechanical ability. I'm dissatisfied with several mechanical functions. However, if someone describes having a problem <em>while ignoring the things that address that problem</em>, then you're right I will point that out. Because that's not a game issue, that's a player issue <em>choosing</em> to create the problem for themselves.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What? This makes no sense, and I never said anything remotely close to this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, show me one quote where I said people don't know how to do it. I'm still waiting for you to provide the other quotes you accused me of. Saying "you don't know how to do this" and "you're choosing to ignore this part that addresses your issue" are two completely different things. I've never said the former.</p><p></p><p>So I'm going to ask you one last time. Stop constantly creating strawmen and refer to what I actually said.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6986502, member: 15700"] Again, I'm not using my opinion. I'm using the actual definitions. A game like Wrath of A is a boardgame, not an RPG. That's how it's classified. Your opinion or my opinion doesn't matter. What differentiates that boardgame from an RPG like D&D? Go ahead, I'd like to see your list. My argument is that if someone ignores and/or doesn't play with any of those things that differentiates a TTRPG from a boardgame, then they are playing a boardgame. Because that's what's happening by the definition. Sorry, but you don't get to change how things are defined because you feel insulted by people pointing out facts to you. For the life of me, I have no idea why you think a boardgame is worse than a TTRPG, or not a "legit" or whatever because you assume someone pointing that out is a pejorative. I like boardgames. I like RPGs. Neither is better or gives more geek cred than the other. They're just different. So if someone take an RPG and removes the role-playing elements (effectively turning that into a boardgame), pointing out that they are playing a boardgame is not an insult in any way unless that person somehow thinks boardgames are inherently worse than TTRPGs. Again, that's completely irrelevant. This is not a subjective topic. What defines an RPG is objective. It has clear elements to it. It doesn't matter what people think. Lots of people think the earth is flat, that doesn't mean we should go around and accept their opinions, and it doesn't mean we insult them when we say that the earth is in fact round. I don't get angry just because someone is dissatisfied with a mechanical ability. I'm dissatisfied with several mechanical functions. However, if someone describes having a problem [i]while ignoring the things that address that problem[/i], then you're right I will point that out. Because that's not a game issue, that's a player issue [i]choosing[/i] to create the problem for themselves. What? This makes no sense, and I never said anything remotely close to this. Again, show me one quote where I said people don't know how to do it. I'm still waiting for you to provide the other quotes you accused me of. Saying "you don't know how to do this" and "you're choosing to ignore this part that addresses your issue" are two completely different things. I've never said the former. So I'm going to ask you one last time. Stop constantly creating strawmen and refer to what I actually said. [/QUOTE]
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