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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6987350" data-attributes="member: 15700">Yes they are, in that same post you just referencedHow about looking at the whole statement, rather than cherry pick half of a sentence.It wasn't meant to be. It was meant to be an observation of what's actually happening. We've had TONS of arguments over the years (most recently a thread here from a week or so ago that I'm aware of) where people either outright say, or heavily infer, that unless an ability is in the statblock, then that monster can't do anything else. People have described their gameplay more akin to a boardgame, where all the flavor text and lore about the monster is ignored (as well as attributes unless it involves a save somewhere) because of statements like &quot;monster X is boring because they don't do anything but attack.&quot; INT and WIS scores are there for more than just saves. They tell you the intellectual capacity of said monster, which tells you how they would react in the game world. All that flavor text is just as important.So clearly, as I had also stated several times later on, I'm talking about if a player plays the monsters and NPCs just like pieces on a game board with no additional features than what a boardgame has, then they are playing a boardgame at that point.&nbsp; Which they are.&nbsp; By the definition of how we classify boardgames vs RPGs.&nbsp; So if someone runs their monsters only doing actions that are described as a power in a statblock and doesn't do anything else (prior planning, using motivations to determine choices, interacting with an environment, etc etc--all things that differentiate from a boardgame), then what's the difference between that and Wrath of Asherlon?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6987350, member: 15700"] Yes they are, in that same post you just referenced How about looking at the whole statement, rather than cherry pick half of a sentence. [i]It wasn't meant to be. It was meant to be an observation of what's actually happening. We've had TONS of arguments over the years (most recently a thread here from a week or so ago that I'm aware of) where people either outright say, or heavily infer, that unless an ability is in the statblock, then that monster can't do anything else. People have described their gameplay more akin to a boardgame, where all the flavor text and lore about the monster is ignored (as well as attributes unless it involves a save somewhere) because of statements like "monster X is boring because they don't do anything but attack." INT and WIS scores are there for more than just saves. They tell you the intellectual capacity of said monster, which tells you how they would react in the game world. All that flavor text is just as important.[/i] So clearly, as I had also stated several times later on, I'm talking about if a player plays the monsters and NPCs just like pieces on a game board with no additional features than what a boardgame has, then they are playing a boardgame at that point. Which they are. By the definition of how we classify boardgames vs RPGs. So if someone runs their monsters only doing actions that are described as a power in a statblock and doesn't do anything else (prior planning, using motivations to determine choices, interacting with an environment, etc etc--all things that differentiate from a boardgame), then what's the difference between that and Wrath of Asherlon? [/QUOTE]

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