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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Greg K" data-source="post: 5772139" data-attributes="member: 5038">As someone that prefers 3e to other editions, these are the things that I think 3e did wrong. I made a separate note for Pathfinder which I have not looked at since its Beta version (Others mileage may vary) :1 Generala. Keeping Level Drainb. XP costs for magic item creationc. XP costs for casting certain spellsd. No action Points/Hero Points in coree. The game after levels 10-12 (never liked it in any edition)f. The focus on prestige classes which were supposed to be optionalg. default setting throughout  many of the generic books2. Racesa. Keeping the non-biological aspects of race as part of the racial write-up.3. Classes (General)a. Too few skill points for the 2+int classes that do not use Int for their main ability score.b. allowing multi-classing to grant  the classes armor proficiencies, weapon proficiencies, and good save bonuses and, thereby, bypass feats with a one level dipc. allowing non-martial characters access to multiple attacks based on BAB4. Barbarian: a. Building the class focused on rage- especially, a wilderness warrior based on rage. It is not like there are not examples of  "urban"/ "civilized" warriors  prone to rage.b. not tying in the home environment and home culture as was done in 1e Unearthed Arcana version5. Bard: a. The class as a Jack of all trades6. Clerica. keeping the armored warrior priest as the defaultb. Dropping 2e spheresc. allowing the class access to all spells rather than those based on their deity's domains.d. allowing clerics that do not worship deitye. Boosting the power of the cleric to encourage players to play it.f. forcing the class into role of healer regardless the deity's domains.7. Druida. not placing more limits on the type of animal companionb. not placing more limits on the ability to wild shape (especially, with some of the PrCs that expanded the options)c. Natural Spell8. Fighter: a. two few skills points per level.b. should have had more abilities to reflect mastery- increased threat ratings and crit multipliersc. needed better save bonuses like they had in previous editions9.  Monka. should have been more open to customization like the fighterb. the upper levels abilities felt more appropriate for a PRc rather than a generic monk class10. Paladina. abilities should have been more reflective of the deityb. spell list should have been based upon the deity's domainsc. should have had a bard's spell progression with 0-level spells at first level. The delay, in my opinion, feels like a prc d. needed more skill points per level11.  Rangera. should have had a bard's spell progression with 0-level spells at first level. The delay, in my opinion, feels more like a PrC.b. should have had more weapon style choicesc. Favored enemy was, in my opinion a bad choice for a set ability. Should have been something that could be taken as a feat.12. Roguea. Basing the class around sneak attack and trapfindingb.  UMD as a class skill. The rogue should not be able to "trick" magic items. It is more appropriate skill for sorcerers.13. Sorcerera. needed more skill points per levelb. should have had more class skills that used Charismac. being inherently magical they should have had UMD as a class skilld. familiar should have been an option rather than mandatory class featuree. as innately magical, they should have got the common house rules of eschew materials at first level and a bonus meta magic feat at 5th level and every five additional levels (and allow substitution of Heritage Feats after they were later introduced))14. Wizarda. personally with the sorcerer, I would have preferred the wizard as a Prc. In most fiction I read, the use of arcane magic requires an inborn ability or magical heritage (i.e., D&D sorcerer) rather than being something anyone could learn.b. removing the restrictions that kept them in check and making something of them optional in the DMG. Restrictions should have been the defaultc. Too much breadth on access to spellsd. familiar as a class ability rather than option.e. scribe scroll as a class ability rather than optionf.  for a class that is supposed to be scholarly, why is speak language not on the class list of skills.15. Specialist Wizardsa. Bonus spells were a lousy idea in 2e and not better in 3e.b. should have gone with a Unearthed Arcana version from the start. The ideas was introduced back in a 2e supplement16. Class Customization:a. Not truly supported  prior to Unearthed Arcana.  A lot of jumping though hoops via multiclassing and PrCs to play a viable starting concept could have been avoided17.  Multiclassinga. Not requiring access to a trainer and time to train as the defaultb. allowing characters to dip 1 level and pick up access to a class's armor and weapon proficiencies to by pass appropriate feats.  Makes the initial choice of some classes less important.c. allowing characters to dip 1 level and pick up access to a class's good save bonus(es).  Makes the initial choice of some classes less important.18. Skillsa. some of the classes need more skill points per levelb. Hide and Move Silent could be combined into Stealthc. Listen and Spot could be combined into Noticed. Craft and Profession could have used a little tweaking.  (Experts 3.5 did a good job in distinguishing.)19. Featsa. way too many feats.b. some feats should have been something anyone could attempt20. Equipmenta. Tanglefoot bags, sunrods etc. in the core bookb. Spiked chains, spikey armor, etc. in the corec. Halfling riding dogs.21. Combata. Fighter types needed more interesting things to do (personally, I like the Book of Iron Might approach).b. Full Attack severely  limiting Fighter's movement.22. Poisona. should have looked more like Poisoncraft (Blue Devil Games)23. Spells.a. Too many spellsb. too many spells that are just variants of bonus to hit and bonus to acc. Too many spells that are similar to other spells, but look different and placed in other schoolsd. Spells that allowed the caster to automatically succeed at tasks of other classes rather than giving a bonus based on caster level or spell levele. spells detecting, protecting, targeting Law/Chaos based sp (Blech!)f. Rope Trick24. Magic Item Creationa. Too easy to create magic itemsb. XP Costs.(Note: Thankfully, there was the Artificer's Handbook (Mystic Eye Games))25. Supplementsa. The Races of X seriesb. 3.0 [X]&[Y] Class Splats: format and prestige classes. Defenders of the Faith was just garbagec. The Complete [Y] series: format and prestige classes. Complete Divine was just horrible.  Complete Mage wasn't bad, but not what I wanted and I prefer the specialist wizards in Unearthed Arcana.c. Book of Exalted Deedsd. Savage Species: Monster Classese. Frostburnf. Psionics Handbook and XPHg. Tome of Battleh. Tome of Magici.  Magic of Incarnumj.  Weapons of Legacy26. Pathfindera. bringing up the non-spellcasting classes rather than toning down the spellcastersb. many of the changes to various classesc. the handling of Sorcerer bloodlines. Sorcerer bloodline idea good.d. Feat names like Gorgon's Fist and Medusa's Wrath. Leave the monster name's off the feats.</blockquote>

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