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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6585588" data-attributes="member: 5834">The Empyrean comes closest to all high stats. Here's an example stats from an ancient black dragon: Str: 27 (+8) Dex: 14 (+2) Con: 25 (+7) Int: 16 (+3) Wis: 15 (+2) Cha: 19 (+4)Saves: Dex +9, Con: +14 Wis: +9 Cha: +11You figure wizard will have his DC 19 at this time. That is four saves that the dragon has a 55% or better of making. All the most important saves against the most powerful spells. Str and Int don't have saves that have a powerful effect on a creature like a dragon. With round by round saves for a lot of spells, that's roughly a 1 round duration for effect spells. A 50% chance to do half damage for a dex or con save spell for damage. An average 6th level damage spell does 12d6 or an average of 36 damage. If the dragon saves, that is 18 damage. That's a powerful resource to expend for that level of damage. You're better off using a cantrip with an attack roll for 18 damage with no save. It's definitely stacked against casters against the powerful creatures. Absent spells like simulacrum or planar binding allowing you to summon a creature to fight a dragon that can't banish your summoned creatures, you would have no chance against a dragon. A fighter melee with no magic would have a very small chance, but probably die as well. A fighter or martial archer has the best chance alone. The dragon has no way to resist ranged bow damage. A smart archer or crossbowman that uses his environment is perhaps the most dangerous character in the game now.Or maybe a switch hitting rogue that can do ranged or melee equally and sneak around is extremely powerful. Sneak in, hit someone hard, move away, hide again, kite and destroy. I would say in 5E the dex-based martial is way up on the power scale for all three pillars. If he has casting ability like an eldritch knight or arcane trickster, even better.</blockquote>

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