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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6586450" data-attributes="member: 996">Even in that ToD climax battle you were in, the final victory was only possible because the casters were letting everyone fly, and blocking breath weapon damage.  Even with most of their spells trumped, they still made critical contributions that not anyone could have made.  DPR output, OTOH, is pretty nearly fungible. Defeating as many enemies as three other characters (IIRC, it was a fighter/barbarian, paladin, and melee-oriented valor bard? that you called 'the martials' in that thread) combined doesn't seem too shabby.  (I'm continually taken aback by little changes that I miss:  are devils called 'fiends,' again, I was sure I saw entries under 'devil,' and are extraplanar critters permanently slain just for dying on the prime material, or did that final battle take place on an outer plane?)</blockquote>