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Message: <blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 4719963" data-attributes="member: 9789">There are a lot of good responses - clearly I hit more of a nerve with this post as opposed to the Delve.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  More thoughts:DEFCON 1 and others:  Sorry, but I will agree to disagree.  It's not that I think the ONLY way to play is to start with a minimum 18 in your primary stat:  I know you can build characters that are viable without it.  It's just that I've seen people play without that, and frankly, it's just less fun.  It's not even an obvious thing, it just creeps up over time, over many sessions...  Eventually, they just end up not liking the character as much.  And I honestly believe it's because they miss just that much more.  So yes, despite what WotC said, starting with an 18 in your primary attack stat is what I advise all my players to do, and would do the same for anyone else.  If you don't like that, yes, you can houserule it - but why do we have to?Piratecat:  HA!  Maybe barbarians and sorcerers are stealth errata too?  THERE!  I SAID IT!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Obryn:  Sorry, I still disagree with your outcome:  I think warlock dual-stat reliance plus the stability of constant double-stat damage for the Sorc wins.  Their multi-target spells kill warlock options, too, and that does make a big difference.  Sorry for getting this song in people's heads, but:  anything locks can do, sorcs can do better.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Jack99:  You clearly didn't like my take I see.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  That's fair enough, but please don't tell me I'm not playing 4e.  I'd respond to your points but I don't think I'd communicate it clearly enough since I obviously didn't get it right the first time around.</blockquote>

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