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<blockquote data-quote="DaveDash" data-source="post: 6618893" data-attributes="member: 6786202"><p>It's not a problem with the player, when the player is simply arguing what's in the book by RAW.</p><p></p><p>There's no such thing that states that stealth rules are in the hands of the DM. That's an assumption you have made based on one specific ruling, and your involvement with 5e through the years. Some of us just started playing the game straight from 3e, which was very much rules not rulings, and had nonexposure at all to the designers philosophy of 5e, and the whole rulings not rules thing. Not everyone reads WoTC blogs or tweets.</p><p></p><p>Its all washed over now, but it sucked at the time. Its horribly confusing for new players and DMs alike. I don't even care if they don't change the ruled at all, even if they simply fixed the layout that would make things way less confusing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DaveDash, post: 6618893, member: 6786202"] It's not a problem with the player, when the player is simply arguing what's in the book by RAW. There's no such thing that states that stealth rules are in the hands of the DM. That's an assumption you have made based on one specific ruling, and your involvement with 5e through the years. Some of us just started playing the game straight from 3e, which was very much rules not rulings, and had nonexposure at all to the designers philosophy of 5e, and the whole rulings not rules thing. Not everyone reads WoTC blogs or tweets. Its all washed over now, but it sucked at the time. Its horribly confusing for new players and DMs alike. I don't even care if they don't change the ruled at all, even if they simply fixed the layout that would make things way less confusing. [/QUOTE]
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