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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6618987" data-attributes="member: 6788736">Youre reading it wrong. The problem is with your interpretation and not with the rule.When it talks about 'hiding' in the sidebar it refers to the common sense, plain English meaning of hiding. Like how you and I would talk about it, and not not in game terms.'You cant hide from a creature that can see you' Means what it means in real life. As in: If you and I are standing in an empty room with a box in the middle of the room, you cannot step into the box while I watch you, close the lid and be hidden from me. I know exactly where you are.Its a statement of common sense, not a 'gamist' term I.e. it does not mean - (Your turn; Move; break LOS; take Hide action).This is where you're getting tripped up.Yes it does bro. The term 'hidden' means 'I dont know where you are'.Try and play hide and seek against someone who watches you hide in a box and see how far you get.Which is a fair enough thing to suggest. But he doesnt tell the DM what the monsters can or cannot perceive. You're (as the DM) free to rule that the monster was too busy watching other PC's to notice where the Rogue was when he attacked (although the rules are clear that you do notice him once the attack is resolved). I'd probably rule the same in a large set piece battle, possibly allowing the rogue to attempt to reenter hiding at disadvantage once or twice.Of course, I sure as hell wouldn't miss the fact someone fired a crossbow bolt into my leg, especially if it was done with sneak attack for 20 odd points of damage.Youre the DM. Apply common sense and make a ruling. Move on with the game. The player shrugs and accepts it, or he spits the dummy, and takes his bat and ball and goes home. You're generally better off without players who want to argue about a rule for hours anyway in my view. He did it at a sporting event, and he'd be sent off. He did it at a friendly sporting event, and he'd lose friends pretty quick.The rules for hiding are left (expressly, not that you needed it) to a DM's call on what is hidden. Thats the rule. The dude behind the screen determines when something is hidden (as it requires subjective knowledge on the part of the creature in question, which is something a player cannot control).For what it's worth, total cover doesn't make something hidden, nor does even invisibility.A wizard who casts invisibility can still be targeted with attacks till he takes the Hide action (which the invisible condition expressly allows him to do at all times).A Wood elf (or a creature with the skulker feat) can Hide in heavy rain (as long as no-one is watching them make the attempt). They could literally enter an empty sports stadium during the day, and hide in the pouring rain in the middle of the field. Later that day, (as long as their stealth check is high enough) they can remain hidden in the middle of the field (in the rain) as the stadium fills up. Play would go on around them as if they weren't there. As soon as they attack (or otherwise reveal themselves) they cant then re-enter hiding. The stadium spectators are now watching them.It's just a common sense thing mate. If a creature knows where you are (and theyre objectively right about it), you are not hidden from them. It's no different from you hiding something in your room. Unless you forget where you put the thing you hid, it's not hidden from you (even though you cant see it anymore). It's hidden from everyone else though.</blockquote>

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