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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6322009" data-attributes="member: 6696971">To be fair to Ahnehnois, I chalked the comment up to a sincere attempt to preempt:1)&nbsp; collateral edition warring on his part - he's not a fan of 4e for most of the reasons given by detractors.&nbsp; He is a (at least from what I've read) fan of design where a final product is an outgrowth of naturalistic process versus my fandom of outcome-based design.&nbsp; I guess you could say he's a Markov Chain guy and I'm a Deterministic guy.&nbsp; That is probably as central an issue with 3.x vs 4e as any other.and 2)&nbsp; speaking out of turn.&nbsp; He is admittedly not well-versed in certain aspects of the ruleset (certainly not in the nuance of specific class features and how that specific build design works toward accomplishing its aims).&nbsp; This is why I attempted to break the issue out in deeper detail in case he is inclined to be drawn in by the specificities that he may be able to relate on without any collateral edition warring!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 6322009, member: 6696971"] To be fair to Ahnehnois, I chalked the comment up to a sincere attempt to preempt: 1) collateral edition warring on his part - he's not a fan of 4e for most of the reasons given by detractors. He is a (at least from what I've read) fan of design where a final product is an outgrowth of naturalistic process versus my fandom of outcome-based design. I guess you could say he's a Markov Chain guy and I'm a Deterministic guy. That is probably as central an issue with 3.x vs 4e as any other. and 2) speaking out of turn. He is admittedly not well-versed in certain aspects of the ruleset (certainly not in the nuance of specific class features and how that specific build design works toward accomplishing its aims). This is why I attempted to break the issue out in deeper detail in case he is inclined to be drawn in by the specificities that he may be able to relate on without any collateral edition warring! [/QUOTE]

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