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<blockquote data-quote="MarkChevallier" data-source="post: 4986006" data-attributes="member: 55538">And yet, despite all these truths, many people compare 4E to WoW, and to video games generally.I think this frequently made observation has a basis in reality. Namely, in both 4E and video games, FUN is KING.For example, healing. Natural healing in previous editions was no fun. You could be laid out for a week or more recovering precious hit points if you didn't have access to magical healing, which only some classes had inherently. Now, no injury (except those decreed by the GM arbitrarily) lasts longer than a single day, and every class and character can heal more rapidly than that. This is a very similar approach to that most computer roleplaying games take. Because it's not fun to be waiting to heal.Many of you, I daresay most of you, will be nodding your heads and saying &quot;Why, of course! The whole point of gaming is fun. All hail King Fun! Long may he reign over us!&quot;But where this comparison is made disparagingly, it's because it harms people's sense of immersion in the game, their ability to believe in it as a functioning reality. This line is drawn in different ways for different people, but 4E, I'm sure even its fans can see, has crossed that line for a lot more people than many previous editions.Sorry, I've just taken a lot of words to repeat an observation many people have made before. My basic point is: these comparisons to computer games are based on a valid observation, even if they're not always expressed very well and even if CRPGs took a lot of things from tabletop RPGs (and wouldn't it be a topsy-turvy world if they didn't?)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MarkChevallier, post: 4986006, member: 55538"] And yet, despite all these truths, many people compare 4E to WoW, and to video games generally. I think this frequently made observation has a basis in reality. Namely, in both 4E and video games, FUN is KING. For example, healing. Natural healing in previous editions was no fun. You could be laid out for a week or more recovering precious hit points if you didn't have access to magical healing, which only some classes had inherently. Now, no injury (except those decreed by the GM arbitrarily) lasts longer than a single day, and every class and character can heal more rapidly than that. This is a very similar approach to that most computer roleplaying games take. Because it's not fun to be waiting to heal. Many of you, I daresay most of you, will be nodding your heads and saying "Why, of course! The whole point of gaming is fun. All hail King Fun! Long may he reign over us!" But where this comparison is made disparagingly, it's because it harms people's sense of immersion in the game, their ability to believe in it as a functioning reality. This line is drawn in different ways for different people, but 4E, I'm sure even its fans can see, has crossed that line for a lot more people than many previous editions. Sorry, I've just taken a lot of words to repeat an observation many people have made before. My basic point is: these comparisons to computer games are based on a valid observation, even if they're not always expressed very well and even if CRPGs took a lot of things from tabletop RPGs (and wouldn't it be a topsy-turvy world if they didn't?) [/QUOTE]

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