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<blockquote data-quote="Riley37" data-source="post: 7606711" data-attributes="member: 6786839">I am generally in favor of a &quot;the more you do things at the edge of your ability, the more you learn&quot; system. That said, I disagree on whether failure is essential. If I try a skateboard trick many times, the failures might get me closer to the moment when I can pull off that trick, but the first time I actually DO pull off the trick, is IMO the turning point in whether I can reliably do it again.There are also skills for which this model is inappropriate, such as knowledge or lore skills. If, in the Cave of Caerbannog, I try to name the capital of Assyria, and I can't because I never learned that particular fact... and then later on, someone else asks me to name the capital of Assyria... my failure the first time *didn't teach me the capital*. If, between those sessions, I read a book on Assyrian history, so that &quot;next time I'll be ready&quot;, THEN I should advance my score (or modifier) in Lore: Ancient Politics. But that should be a &quot;did I train during downtime&quot; mechanic, not an &quot;I developed my skills by using them under pressure&quot; mechanic.By the way, the capital of Assyria changed a few times; at one point it was Ninevah. Just in case anyone ever asks you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Riley37, post: 7606711, member: 6786839"] I am generally in favor of a "the more you do things at the edge of your ability, the more you learn" system. That said, I disagree on whether failure is essential. If I try a skateboard trick many times, the failures might get me closer to the moment when I can pull off that trick, but the first time I actually DO pull off the trick, is IMO the turning point in whether I can reliably do it again. There are also skills for which this model is inappropriate, such as knowledge or lore skills. If, in the Cave of Caerbannog, I try to name the capital of Assyria, and I can't because I never learned that particular fact... and then later on, someone else asks me to name the capital of Assyria... my failure the first time *didn't teach me the capital*. If, between those sessions, I read a book on Assyrian history, so that "next time I'll be ready", THEN I should advance my score (or modifier) in Lore: Ancient Politics. But that should be a "did I train during downtime" mechanic, not an "I developed my skills by using them under pressure" mechanic. By the way, the capital of Assyria changed a few times; at one point it was Ninevah. Just in case anyone ever asks you. [/QUOTE]

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