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<blockquote data-quote="The-Magic-Sword" data-source="post: 8994727" data-attributes="member: 6801252">This is an interesting idea and I think you're absolutely correct about childhood make-believe being a kind of patient zero for the behavior, but my impression of Nordic is that it's more focused on achieving the psychological bleed and then breaking it down afterward-- e.g. it's kind of high concept in the way creative writing exercises where you lie down and listen to a hypnotic narration is, and that the immersion focus in Neo-Trad is more centralized on affection for the character as an ongoing mask, rather than a somewhat novelty seeking emphasis of embodying it. In other words, I think part of the goal here that's distinct is authoring a character that one is simultaneously a fan of, and maintaining enough creative control to curate their appeal, rather than exclusively immersion, with immersion being a tool for experiencing that creation in the way animation is a tool for the experience of a particular cartoons deal (narrative, theme, humor, action, etc.) a Nordic Larper is still hoping to be surprised-- hoping for experience itself, a neo-trad knows what their goal is and wants to revel in pulling it off, and perhaps wallowing in what they sought to create, in a more specific sense.I do think that the message board thing (and certain other spaces) had the effect of essentially extending make believe into an area where people are more aware of themselves and others, and construct more elaborate etiquette, and more ambitious goals than kids tend to do in terms of make believe, we could see that as a kind of process of refinement as the activity itself deepens to accommodate maturing taste and depth-- which then produces the expectations that define the culture.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The-Magic-Sword, post: 8994727, member: 6801252"] This is an interesting idea and I think you're absolutely correct about childhood make-believe being a kind of patient zero for the behavior, but my impression of Nordic is that it's more focused on achieving the psychological bleed and then breaking it down afterward-- e.g. it's kind of high concept in the way creative writing exercises where you lie down and listen to a hypnotic narration is, and that the immersion focus in Neo-Trad is more centralized on affection for the character as an ongoing mask, rather than a somewhat novelty seeking emphasis of embodying it. In other words, I think part of the goal here that's distinct is authoring a character that one is simultaneously a fan of, and maintaining enough creative control to curate their appeal, rather than exclusively immersion, with immersion being a tool for experiencing that creation in the way animation is a tool for the experience of a particular cartoons deal (narrative, theme, humor, action, etc.) a Nordic Larper is still hoping to be surprised-- hoping for experience itself, a neo-trad knows what their goal is and wants to revel in pulling it off, and perhaps wallowing in what they sought to create, in a more specific sense. I do think that the message board thing (and certain other spaces) had the effect of essentially extending make believe into an area where people are more aware of themselves and others, and construct more elaborate etiquette, and more ambitious goals than kids tend to do in terms of make believe, we could see that as a kind of process of refinement as the activity itself deepens to accommodate maturing taste and depth-- which then produces the expectations that define the culture. [/QUOTE]

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