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<blockquote data-quote="Emberashh" data-source="post: 9214986" data-attributes="member: 7040941"><p>Those three don't have the same loops. Theres an identical heritage between them obviously, but one is a specific tactical combat oriented game, and the other two are two of the main ones that get copy/pasted ad nauseum. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which isn't the intent. The intent is we're attempting to have a productive conversation and we can approach words with baggage in a way that doesn't prevent that. </p><p></p><p>I did already offer up alternatives. If we really must waste time and energy on litigating language, then actually <em>do it</em> and offer up alternatives. Rejecting the conversation isn't that, and thats what one is doing if they're forcing the conversation to be about language and not about anything that was actually said.</p><p></p><p>I'm not here to debate what a word implies or negotiate over what words we use, Im here to talk about game design. If negotiating language has to be the gatekeeper to doing that, then fine whatever, but lets not mistake that for being a game design conversation, nor forget to actually have the game design conversation. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, then prove it. Actually <em>talk to me</em>, and waste no more time on this soapboxy language gatekeeping.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Words mean things, and analysis has a colloquial definition:</p><p></p><p>a·nal·y·sis</p><p>/əˈnaləsəs/</p><p>noun</p><p>detailed examination of the elements or structure of something.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In other words, you don't like my opinion and in service of rejecting it you'll go to the length of rejecting something non-problematic like analysis, because I made it clear that analysis is what lead me to my opinion. </p><p></p><p>Surely you'll understand why I can't really take this seriously, given you're in turn asserting without evidence a definition of "analysis" that in reality is just you saying I'm lying. </p><p></p><p>Its pretty cleverly hidden, but its pretty plain to me that you're no longer engaging whats being said. You're going after me because you don't like my opinion, and you buried it so that may be it wouldn't be noticed. But I did.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Emberashh, post: 9214986, member: 7040941"] Those three don't have the same loops. Theres an identical heritage between them obviously, but one is a specific tactical combat oriented game, and the other two are two of the main ones that get copy/pasted ad nauseum. Which isn't the intent. The intent is we're attempting to have a productive conversation and we can approach words with baggage in a way that doesn't prevent that. I did already offer up alternatives. If we really must waste time and energy on litigating language, then actually [I]do it[/I] and offer up alternatives. Rejecting the conversation isn't that, and thats what one is doing if they're forcing the conversation to be about language and not about anything that was actually said. I'm not here to debate what a word implies or negotiate over what words we use, Im here to talk about game design. If negotiating language has to be the gatekeeper to doing that, then fine whatever, but lets not mistake that for being a game design conversation, nor forget to actually have the game design conversation. Okay, then prove it. Actually [I]talk to me[/I], and waste no more time on this soapboxy language gatekeeping. Words mean things, and analysis has a colloquial definition: a·nal·y·sis /əˈnaləsəs/ noun detailed examination of the elements or structure of something. In other words, you don't like my opinion and in service of rejecting it you'll go to the length of rejecting something non-problematic like analysis, because I made it clear that analysis is what lead me to my opinion. Surely you'll understand why I can't really take this seriously, given you're in turn asserting without evidence a definition of "analysis" that in reality is just you saying I'm lying. Its pretty cleverly hidden, but its pretty plain to me that you're no longer engaging whats being said. You're going after me because you don't like my opinion, and you buried it so that may be it wouldn't be noticed. But I did. [/QUOTE]
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