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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 4609481" data-attributes="member: 15538">Warhammer characters can and do win. It's just that death, dismemberment, and insanity are also possible outcomes. It's not utter bleakness so much as the fact that the adventuring business is dangerous, and Warhammer treats those risks seriously. As for the big picture... maybe Chaos is going to win, who knows? But there are plenty of people in the Warhammer world who believe it can be beaten. Warhammer really isn't all that much bleaker than Lord of the Rings. Both have evil hordes, insidious collaborators with the Enemy, and the good guys starting the fight on the defensive. I think the archetypal Warhammer is a game in which some characters die, but not all, and one or more characters end with a nasty scar or war wound. It's also possible for everyone to end up being mutated into mindless horrors. It's also possible for the PCs to literally make off like bandits, living the high life while daring lord, church, and the fiends of Hell to take it from them.</blockquote>