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<blockquote data-quote="Evenglare" data-source="post: 7661154" data-attributes="member: 63245"><p>I was there. I usually listen rather than chime in, but there was nothing to correct about what they were saying. It was all fact about how they have been issuing cease and desist letters with no guidance on what the community should actually be doing to comply with a game that has no actual way of compliance apart from releasing things under the OGL as a back door. There was talk of morning star, all of which had nothing positive to say about either company. There was comparison and contrast on how Wizards is conducting their game and Paizo theirs (which is to be expected in a conversation like this). There was talk about the silence we have gotten from wizards while other companies/games all have a fairly solid schedule, and make sure their relations are good within the community. The general tone I got about Wizards was... for lack of a better word.... oppressive. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. Posting on here about a perception, isn't a cop out. I don't even know what I'm copping out of. The facts are that people ARE talking about this. There ARE casuals who are getting exposed to this information. These people DONT go online to read the boards, they are friends who tag along to the shop and are being introduced to these games. Let me repeat again just to make it doubly clear THEY DO NOT GO ON SITES BECAUSE THEY JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS HOBBY.</p><p></p><p>I agree with your statement about legality, they can do whatever they want, but things like this spread even though you think it is neatly contained in the internet's online community this is simple 100% untrue, by my evidence of speaking with these people both new and old to the game. It is also true that despite what the actual details are, what is being presented by internet gamers is what is being perceived by new players. Right? Wrong? Doesn't matter at all. Wizards has no PR department, which they should have. Instead we the internet community at this point ARE their PR. </p><p></p><p>If they want things to change, then wizards need to speak up and let us know what is specifically going on with the game, until then we can only infer for ourselves and draw conclusions however wrong they may be. We simply have no other way to speculate. If your reply is "stop speculation" then this conversation has no point, because it is in humanity's nature to speculate and no amount of force can change that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Evenglare, post: 7661154, member: 63245"] I was there. I usually listen rather than chime in, but there was nothing to correct about what they were saying. It was all fact about how they have been issuing cease and desist letters with no guidance on what the community should actually be doing to comply with a game that has no actual way of compliance apart from releasing things under the OGL as a back door. There was talk of morning star, all of which had nothing positive to say about either company. There was comparison and contrast on how Wizards is conducting their game and Paizo theirs (which is to be expected in a conversation like this). There was talk about the silence we have gotten from wizards while other companies/games all have a fairly solid schedule, and make sure their relations are good within the community. The general tone I got about Wizards was... for lack of a better word.... oppressive. I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. Posting on here about a perception, isn't a cop out. I don't even know what I'm copping out of. The facts are that people ARE talking about this. There ARE casuals who are getting exposed to this information. These people DONT go online to read the boards, they are friends who tag along to the shop and are being introduced to these games. Let me repeat again just to make it doubly clear THEY DO NOT GO ON SITES BECAUSE THEY JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS HOBBY. I agree with your statement about legality, they can do whatever they want, but things like this spread even though you think it is neatly contained in the internet's online community this is simple 100% untrue, by my evidence of speaking with these people both new and old to the game. It is also true that despite what the actual details are, what is being presented by internet gamers is what is being perceived by new players. Right? Wrong? Doesn't matter at all. Wizards has no PR department, which they should have. Instead we the internet community at this point ARE their PR. If they want things to change, then wizards need to speak up and let us know what is specifically going on with the game, until then we can only infer for ourselves and draw conclusions however wrong they may be. We simply have no other way to speculate. If your reply is "stop speculation" then this conversation has no point, because it is in humanity's nature to speculate and no amount of force can change that. [/QUOTE]
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