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<blockquote data-quote="Nik_the_Pig" data-source="post: 13357" data-attributes="member: 1647"><p><strong>Dodging</strong></p><p></p><p>Ahh... what we have here is a need for rule clarification re: Uncanny Dodge and Sneak Attack.</p><p></p><p>The way I've read it is thus: </p><p>Sneak Attack:</p><p>(Quoted from p47 PHB) "Basically, any time the rogue's target <em>would</em>(my italics) be denied his Dex bonus to AC (whether he actually has a Dex bonus or not), or when the rogue flanks the target, the rogue's attack deals extra damage."</p><p>&</p><p>Uncanny Dodge:</p><p>Quoted from p48 PHB) "At 3rd lvl and above, she retains her Dex bonus to AC (if any) regardless of being caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker."..."At 6th lvl, the rogue can no longer be flanked.... This defence denies other rogues the ability to use <em>flank to sneak attack </em> (once again my italics) her. The exception to this defence is that another rogue at least four levels higher than the character can flank her (and thus sneak attack her)."</p><p></p><p>The way I read that is that anything that normally would deny a character his Dex bonus will allow a sneak attack. Uncanny Dodge allows you to retain your dex bonus to AC to avoid the attack but does not stop the attack from happening in the first place. i.e. Uncanny Dodge doesn't stop you from being caught flat-footed or surprise attacked, you just retain your Dex bonus (BIG DIFFERENCE!!) You can still be sneak attacked in those situations.</p><p></p><p>At 6th lvl you cannot be flanked and, as such, cannot be sneak attacked when flanked unless the attack has 4 lvls of rogue on you. But that has nothing to do with being denied you Dex bonus or the like as flanking just gives +2 to hit.</p><p></p><p>So in the case of the assassin vs the high lvl rogue, if you want it to be a quick kill, surprise attack. The rogue will still be hard to hit (high AC due to still having his Dex bonus added to it) but you will still be able to deal sneak attack damage and all the other death dealing goodies that an assassin can do with/ instead of a sneak attack.</p><p></p><p>Just the way I read it, may not mesh with you and I must say I have never asked WotC or seen any errata to say so I could be off base.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nik_the_Pig, post: 13357, member: 1647"] [b]Dodging[/b] Ahh... what we have here is a need for rule clarification re: Uncanny Dodge and Sneak Attack. The way I've read it is thus: Sneak Attack: (Quoted from p47 PHB) "Basically, any time the rogue's target [I]would[/I](my italics) be denied his Dex bonus to AC (whether he actually has a Dex bonus or not), or when the rogue flanks the target, the rogue's attack deals extra damage." & Uncanny Dodge: Quoted from p48 PHB) "At 3rd lvl and above, she retains her Dex bonus to AC (if any) regardless of being caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker."..."At 6th lvl, the rogue can no longer be flanked.... This defence denies other rogues the ability to use [I]flank to sneak attack [/I] (once again my italics) her. The exception to this defence is that another rogue at least four levels higher than the character can flank her (and thus sneak attack her)." The way I read that is that anything that normally would deny a character his Dex bonus will allow a sneak attack. Uncanny Dodge allows you to retain your dex bonus to AC to avoid the attack but does not stop the attack from happening in the first place. i.e. Uncanny Dodge doesn't stop you from being caught flat-footed or surprise attacked, you just retain your Dex bonus (BIG DIFFERENCE!!) You can still be sneak attacked in those situations. At 6th lvl you cannot be flanked and, as such, cannot be sneak attacked when flanked unless the attack has 4 lvls of rogue on you. But that has nothing to do with being denied you Dex bonus or the like as flanking just gives +2 to hit. So in the case of the assassin vs the high lvl rogue, if you want it to be a quick kill, surprise attack. The rogue will still be hard to hit (high AC due to still having his Dex bonus added to it) but you will still be able to deal sneak attack damage and all the other death dealing goodies that an assassin can do with/ instead of a sneak attack. Just the way I read it, may not mesh with you and I must say I have never asked WotC or seen any errata to say so I could be off base. [/QUOTE]
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