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<blockquote data-quote="Rackhir" data-source="post: 3871976" data-attributes="member: 149"><p>Summoning is widely considered to be a sub-optimal choice for things to do and that's for a summoning optimized character. </p><p></p><p>I have a high level wizard with a bunch of optimizations and tweaks from the DM to make him better at summoning and a lot of the time it's still not the best choice. Now you're using SNA which IMHO is significantly better on average than Summon Monster, but you should not be penalized for casting an ordinary mundane spell. </p><p></p><p>Even if your summons are "gaining XP" they are unlikely to survive long enough to level significantly (at least 2/3 of my summons get killed) and even if they do level are STILL going to be inferior in all probability to the creatures off of the next level up's summoning list. So there really is no advantage to the DMs scheme for you, unless your campaign features extremely slow leveling.</p><p></p><p>You described your summoner as "Broken" I take it that means you have Greenbond summoning (SP?)? That's the only summoning feat/feature I can recall as ever being described as "overpowered". Perhaps you could drop that in exchange for something like Rapid Summoning (1 STD action vs full round action). Can you describe more fully why you/the DM feel the character is broken. Perhaps there are some other missinterpretations of the rules going on.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rackhir, post: 3871976, member: 149"] Summoning is widely considered to be a sub-optimal choice for things to do and that's for a summoning optimized character. I have a high level wizard with a bunch of optimizations and tweaks from the DM to make him better at summoning and a lot of the time it's still not the best choice. Now you're using SNA which IMHO is significantly better on average than Summon Monster, but you should not be penalized for casting an ordinary mundane spell. Even if your summons are "gaining XP" they are unlikely to survive long enough to level significantly (at least 2/3 of my summons get killed) and even if they do level are STILL going to be inferior in all probability to the creatures off of the next level up's summoning list. So there really is no advantage to the DMs scheme for you, unless your campaign features extremely slow leveling. You described your summoner as "Broken" I take it that means you have Greenbond summoning (SP?)? That's the only summoning feat/feature I can recall as ever being described as "overpowered". Perhaps you could drop that in exchange for something like Rapid Summoning (1 STD action vs full round action). Can you describe more fully why you/the DM feel the character is broken. Perhaps there are some other missinterpretations of the rules going on. [/QUOTE]
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