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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6921553" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>Appeal to authority? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Approaching it in an isolated manner is the best way to demonstrate the scope of the problem. The issue is not going to be handled by suburbanites planting a few trees in their yards. Reforesting the entire Amazon is more the required scale.</p><p></p><p>What is nonsensical is claiming something will work, without stating the requirements surrounding that function. "This will work, if we also make <em>unspecified</em> reduction of emissions," is not convincing. It has the effect of hiding how difficult the problem is - especially in this case when managing reduction of emissions has to date been extremely difficult. </p><p></p><p>The number of trees you have to plant only reduces linearly with the reduction of emissions - if you halve the emissions, you halve the number of trees required. We would require *billions of trees a year* to offset current yearly emissions. If you halve the emissions, you have to plant half the trees, but half of billions is still a number in the billions! </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not wrong. I'm thinking about it differently. We are talking about needing multiple trees per person - not per household, but for *each person* in the household - and doing that *each year*. My own home has just my wife and myself. My plot of land might fit two more trees... and then we are done. No more room. But, to offset my own carbon consumption, I need eventually to plant a small forest - a handful of trees a year for my forseeable life. My personal property won't handle that. Most people's personal property won't handle that. That limits using homeowner properties to being a short term, feel-good measure that doesn't really impact the long-term problem.</p><p></p><p>Also note that large areas of the country are not in a position to grow trees. California is in a major drought - in fact, the entire American southwest has been looking at looming water crisis for years to decades. Growing loads of trees in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico? Not really a good plan.</p><p></p><p>Plus, we would want to talk about *other* things that could be done with the property that might be superior. Planting trees might give some small amount of carbon capture, sure. But giving that same land over to power generation by wind or solar could cut emissions in an ongoing manner, or gardening on that land could cut the emissions incurred in food transport.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6921553, member: 177"] Appeal to authority? Approaching it in an isolated manner is the best way to demonstrate the scope of the problem. The issue is not going to be handled by suburbanites planting a few trees in their yards. Reforesting the entire Amazon is more the required scale. What is nonsensical is claiming something will work, without stating the requirements surrounding that function. "This will work, if we also make [i]unspecified[/i] reduction of emissions," is not convincing. It has the effect of hiding how difficult the problem is - especially in this case when managing reduction of emissions has to date been extremely difficult. The number of trees you have to plant only reduces linearly with the reduction of emissions - if you halve the emissions, you halve the number of trees required. We would require *billions of trees a year* to offset current yearly emissions. If you halve the emissions, you have to plant half the trees, but half of billions is still a number in the billions! I'm not wrong. I'm thinking about it differently. We are talking about needing multiple trees per person - not per household, but for *each person* in the household - and doing that *each year*. My own home has just my wife and myself. My plot of land might fit two more trees... and then we are done. No more room. But, to offset my own carbon consumption, I need eventually to plant a small forest - a handful of trees a year for my forseeable life. My personal property won't handle that. Most people's personal property won't handle that. That limits using homeowner properties to being a short term, feel-good measure that doesn't really impact the long-term problem. Also note that large areas of the country are not in a position to grow trees. California is in a major drought - in fact, the entire American southwest has been looking at looming water crisis for years to decades. Growing loads of trees in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico? Not really a good plan. Plus, we would want to talk about *other* things that could be done with the property that might be superior. Planting trees might give some small amount of carbon capture, sure. But giving that same land over to power generation by wind or solar could cut emissions in an ongoing manner, or gardening on that land could cut the emissions incurred in food transport. [/QUOTE]
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